moonraker

Neither blue nor red appeal, far to stagnated, something with a greenish hew, a streak of orange thinly sprinkled with purple and washed down with a nice single malt, just the ticket old chap.

So just to clear, the new fresh site is for liberal, independently minded chaps and this one is for those more traditional less tolerent chaps. Guardian v Mail types you might say.

Well, how does one choose, the fresh all new Sotonian forum, or the tried and tested saintsweb. It is type of dilema that makes life such a struggle, what should I do, I have made an appointment with my doctor and will let you all know ahat he advises.

Its called prioritising, I do not have the answer neither do you, if there is the political will across Europe then assets will be found most likely at the expense of other commitments. EU states have 500 naval ships, not counting Auxiliaries, 20 of these are amphibious assault ships, I am sure a few will be made available for this operation. An alternative is a STUFT, civilian manned to undertake the medical and immigration tasks.

Sorry we are effectively down to a single LPD (not counting ALSL's), but my point was it is not the only ship in the Royal Navy, although it most likely the best we have for this type of operation ex HMS OCEAN.

The Royal Navy has provided vital and life saving support to the refugee crisis in the Meditarean, saving the lives of hundreds of adults and children. (This is the positive thread no ferry references here)

I know the RN is short of ships but we are not yet down to a single LPD, other rations are providing assets. It was particular fortuitous that Bulwark was already in theatre, her capability is ideal for the task. In fact one of the reason the Dutch managed to get their LPD's approved was because of their utility in humanitarian relief operations.

Your ferry service is one of the Core Roles of the Royal Navy, “Providing humanitarian assistance”, if you don’t understand what this means ask some one who does! If you don’t like the RN doing it leave, you could claim conscientious objection. No one wants to do this but it is right and proper, the causes of this disaster are myriad, safety, persecution, economic, political, historic, cultural, corruption to name a few, trying to pin it to single issue is crass. We tried letting them drown for a year, didn’t stop them coming, the fact that so many are willing to risk so much tends to suggest to me that the key motivators are safety and persecution.

Its all scumerr lies I tells ya

I realise the record breaking a number of threads including the legendary (or mythical) Pompey Takeover Saga reports many of the Myths perpetuated by our fishy neighbours but I thought a simpler thread for ease of references would be useful. Ill start with : Southampton Union Corporation Men (SCUM) strike breakers. Perhaps this could be a sticky?

Very sad to see Charles leave us. He was a class act, a conviction politician who truly stood for what he belived in, his anti Iraq war speech is a classic. I met him twice and he was true gent who had no arrogance or sense of supperiority. RIP Charles and my condolences to your family.

That accounts for you good proof reading skills then, what accounts for you're inability to actually debate.

Wrong again I am in the 30 % without a degree, but have worked very hard to achieve a senior position, the odd typo doesn't take anything away from the message, and if all you can contribute is proof reading thats fine by me.

Your so wrong, cosy environment no, a very hard working export earning challenging work place with a dedicated workforce (99% British). I have a son who was in the position you cite and he in the yes camp, he didn't blame migrants he did something about it, took a low paid job and worked hard and moved to a better job, still not well paid but he gets up goes to work and feeds his family. Migrants are in to many instances used as an excuse. I still don't have an answer to my earlier question who will find work for the jobs that we loose when European owned businesses move out.

Sorry dyslexia is a pain! I was responding to a comment about the quality of argument / debate, and my experience is that the out campaign is the least informed and most based on myth rather than fact. I am very lucky to work in a business where 70 % staff have a degree that is actually required for the job they do and they have a pretty good level of education and understanding of the world, I have yet to meet one who is in the out camp. While this may appear arrogant or narrow I am only reporting my own experience.

I said less successful, we will survive but I am scared (or if you prefer fearful), I want my country to have the best possible chance of achieving the optimum outcomes for all its citizens and this has the best chance of happening within the EU. Sorry if you struggle with this concept but I assumed most readers were beyond key stage 3.

No not them us i.e. the Government of the day on behalf of the people of the United Kingdom. Siting individuals for their view in a debate that they lost as tough they had won is a strange way to make your point.

Seems consistent to me, I do not want to withdraw because: I believe the consequences are undesirable, am scared of the UK suffering and achieving less than we otherwise, would what is confusing. Your problem is you antis need it to be ultra simple as you are relying on a lot of people being stupid and not actually understanding the European Union.

Not sure its well argued at all, well ranted yes, however I agree with some of the concerns but when you look at the global picture I cannot support our withdrawal. I want to see greater accountability within the EU however the truth is that even in our own democracy (flawed as it is) there are many NGO’s who make decisions that affect all our lives this will not change if we leave the EU. There are other non- democratic international bodies who make rules that are then translated into national legislation, are we to withdraw from these as well? If we left the IMO for example we would not be able to carry out any meaningful trade on the high seas. With respect to borders, we can control them and it is up to us how we do that, not reducing the border force would be a start. Blaming Europe for the recession in isolation to other Global events is only just one up on blaming the UK Government for the world wide crash. The history of the EU and its predecessors is in the main one of unifying, developing and improving millions and millions of peoples lives, most of the arguments I hear against the EU are short termism and reactionary. I think the term loyalty has been used inappropriately and unfairly, my desire to stay in Europe is based on my view that of the 2 options it is the best for my country and I am truly scared of what will happen if we withdraw espeicilly if the kippers and their ilk gain any form of power.

And whether you actually understand how the EU works or just read the Daily Express/Mail for your facts.

If my uncle was women he would be my aunty but he isnt.

A proposed bill proves nothing, it is the operation of the bill that will prove whether Australia has really tackled the problem, We all know that the mock criminals who market themselves as Tax Accountants / Advisor will find a loop hole or two. Loop holes are nearly always the result of omission rather than commission, meaning the legislatures intent cannot be fully delivered. The UK Government has already embarked on the legislature to address this issue. So you are mistaken in you assertion.

But we didnt did we, ergo they made the correct decsion.

It was reported this morning that German companies employ 400,000 peple in the UK and that many of these jobs will be put at risk by a UK withdrawal from Europe. Is this scare mongering by the Germans, a genuine warning or part of a greater European conspiracy to totally subjugate the subjects of Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. My supplementary questions are how many other subjects earn their living through EU member states owned businesses? what proposal do the out campaign have to ensure these people can continue to earn a living and maintain their current standard of living?

Please accept this as my humblest apology for stirring your sensibilities. As most antis confuse everything European with the EU I thought it would go unnoticed but hey your to sharp for me, so to satisfy your politically correct pedantry I have unilaterally elected to use the term ‘EU’ when referring to the economic and political partnership between the 28 European of the European Union as amended by Treaty of Lisbon, 1 December 2009. I will endeavor to ensure that my future use of all other acronyms associated with current and historic European institutions are accurate in historical, political, and pedantic terms.