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Yes, you're quite right. I also draw the line at booing your own players, too. Against Hull he frustrated the hell out of me for about an hour but scored. I wasn't shouting my lungs out at him like others were around me.

So are you advocating letting someone get away with it because they are who they are? I prefer telling it how it is, to be honest. If Le Tiss had a bad game, I'd be one of the first to say it, you cannot excuse someone forever and just say 'Ah well it's him isn't it, we know he's good, he'll score or do good eventually'. Is it more blinkered to say "He is a good player but I don't like his inconsistency" or to say "He can do no wrong, he is XYZ and we know he'll deliver if not now, in a few games time"? I think you know the answer.

I understand and apologise for misquoting. See, we can be nice.

Indeed, it is a shame that we can't have a decent debate about Guly, but to debate involves disagreement, and that ends in 'You're a ****' or other such rubbish.

Do the people having a go at dune now not think they're shooting themselves in the foot a bit? You criticise him for reducing the quality of threads, and here you are bickering and *****ing about him like it's a school playground.

I've mainly seen people blindly defending him with stats, which as I point out, is not the be all and end all. To clarify, I was not in any way having a go at SSOTN when I listed those harsh words. I had gathered them from previous posts by Guly's defendants and said apparently SSOTN was all of those things, purely because he found faults with Guly.

All words used by others to describe those of us who criticise Guly. I was not saying it of you, SSOTN. Note the use of the word 'apparently'.

No no I'm not confused at all, I'm agreeing with you! I'm totally disagreeing with all these people who are going OTT because they don't like Guly being criticised!

So he's a scape goat now, because he's not universally liked? Would you care to over react a little more? I don't think you've made enough of a drama of it all yet. Well you get my point don't you? It really is absurd that because you or I have a different opinion to someone else that we're all the names under the sun. For the people that rely on stats, I would urge a note of caution. If a team has 99% of possession and no goals, but the opposition has 1% and with that they score and win, it makes the superior possession completely useless does it not? You can be a robot and say 'he's scored x amount of goals and has y amount of assists, therefore he is good and your criticism is invalid' if you want, but you're only kidding yourself. I've seen a lot of Guly this season and he has some bad qualities, but as I have said before, fair play to him because those qualities aside, he's done well. For me it was perfectly summed up against Hull. First 45 minutes I think you or I would have been able to control the ball better, would run rather than walk back from offside positions and not get bullied by defenders as badly. Second half, at the second attempt, he puts the ball in the back of the net. Is it right then to ignore that first 45 minutes just because he scored? Again, you can kid yourself if you want and say yes, but being a realist, I'm inclined to say no.

You're also ignorant, cretinous, blinkered, not too bright and pathetic apparently. Some posters on here need to sort themselves out. You wouldn't say it to people's faces, so don't do it on here, would be my advice.

By the way, those calling people who criticise him ignorant or stupid, it is equally ignorant and stupid to ignore someone's bad qualities because they have some good ones. And for the record, I did not call Guly work shy.

Debatable that it was a good thread ruined, by the way. I wouldn't expect to see it in the golden posts section.

Have I said there that he doesn't work hard?

No one can take Guly's record this season away from him, and fair play to the guy because we've stepped up a division and he wanted to leave the club because he couldn't settle. But he does things that make you want to pull your hair out. Failing to control easy balls, getting pushed about with the slightest nudge from a defender, at a power similar to a breath of wind, trotting back, not running back, it all adds up to make one frustrating player. As Saintscottofthenortham said, he is inconsistent, so I think fans can be forgiven for being quite sparing with the praise.

Nigel said post-Cardiff it wouldn't keep him out for long. I saw him at full time and he was walking about fine, I imagine he'll be in contention for West Ham.

Hero. Or is that GUITAR HERO?

Zoot suit, black jacket with side vents, five inches long. I'm out on the street again, and I'm leaping along. If anyone wants to buy a 1963 Lambretta Starstream by the way, I'm open to offers.

He's decent enough on Scrabble, so don't be too hasty.

FOUR months with no football? Bloody hell. That's going to be tough. It's also going to be a long summer of 'Has XYZ signed yet?' and 'I WANT TO SEE THE NEW KIT!'

Interesting, it's usually about two weeks apart...

Hmm, yeah I'm getting the same now. Hang on a minute... Fixed. Turns out each bit of the paper is a separate image and I only linked to the headline. Oops.

Check this out. The Guardian's preview of the 1992-93 season, team by team. Straight from the paper. http://archive.guardian.co.uk/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=R1VBLzE5OTIvMDgvMTUjQXIwMTYwMA==&Mode=Gif&Locale=english-skin-custom

Yep, same here. I think Jewell's bought himself some more time at Ipswich after last night too.

Olympiakos.

Set pieces. It's well hidden this year.