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Just discovered this thread and realised that the likes of wes is threatening to leave. All I can say is I think we would see an immediate improvement if this were to happen. Someone get frank to take similar action and we are almost there! He has paranoia already (following him around for goodness sake) so shouldn't be hard to persuade. Shame about trousers though

Well he isn't on there as a pundit.

Yep. Got mine when they first went on sale and going with my dad. I imagine there will be a few different generations enjoying it.

Let's be honest, one night on the razz isn't going to affect things hugely. They all do it anyway.

Four bouncers carried lambo out after he fell asleep in the vip area :cool:

It's because they don't want to. Anyone who isn't sure about the euro project currently has no one other than Ukip to vote for.

As far as I'm aware it's not immigration they have a problem with. It's uncontrolled immigration solely from every country in the EU which is the issue.

A real tragedy. It was such a shock when I read this this morning.

I'm happy to give him a go, especially now when we have nothing to play for.

That's up for debate and there are some reasons behind that anyway. In all honesty it doesn't really matter though because they won't be in power. The media and other parties aren't listening and so most people who vote Ukip will do so to send a message and will then vote differently once the general election comes.

I don't get your point. Political party has some oddballs and individuals with hateful views in it shocker.

In all honesty why do their other policies matter? This is a European election and every major party refuse to listen to the concerns of the majority so people will vote for Ukip to send a message. They are a one issue party but it just so happens that the public care about this issue more than liblabcon would like.

All parties have members who in the past have expressed racist views or have had Controversy involving race. This is more of a problem for Ukip as they have seen a surge in popularity so quickly so it is harder to vet candidates. They are dealing with the problems this has caused. Having racists as members of a party does not make the party racist. If it did then every political party virtually would be racist.

Gullibles like mlg get suckered in

Did Ukip say that? I think what they object to is open door immigration from countries in the EU. Not sure why you are lumping the bnp in with them.

Ukip for me and then I'm adopting a wait and see attitude for the general election.

Bit odd that it is described as an open display of racism. Yes it's viewed as a racist term but surely you have to consider intent before deciding if it is racist or not?

Halo Stickman I will reply in more depth but I'm on my phone at the moment so it's more difficult.

Where has anyone said that she deserved to die?

Err I said that in my opinion there was nothing wrong with having a couple of drinks. My problem was with the word 'sloshed'. What is meant by that? I am sure everyone knows when they are able to safely look after a child and when they are not. Having a pint or two is in general unlikely to make you a danger or reduce your ability to keep a child safe. Getting drunk to the point where you can't look after people in your car is disgusting again imo.

My point is that the excuse of a dysfunctional upbringing only goes so far. Do we absolve everyone of their crimes if they have had a poor upbringing?

I heard Ted Bundy had terrible parents who gave him a rubbish childhood. He has my deepest sympathies xxx

For me the line is somewhere between having a couple of drinks (both parents being sloshed as you put it is still highly irresponsible imo) and taking heroin. Where exactly that line falls is up for debate.

I have never done that. When in charge of children I have always been capable of looking after them. Anyone who has done that should be widely condemned and their capability of being a parent should be seriously called into question.

But minty where do you draw the line? If someone goes out and murders someone or molests a bunch of people do we just say well none of us always do what we should have done? For me taking heroin when in charge of a child is crossing the line and isn't simply something that everyone would do in the right circumstances. It is inexcusable.