hypochondriac

Lets wait and see...

Lets get back on topic.

I can't speak for others but certainly my experience is that to be a Christian you do have to believe in God. I strongly contest that you have to engage in any traditional rituals in order to be a christian though. My understanding is that being a Christian means believing in God and living your life by following Christian values but all the other stuff to my mind is optional. My father has in the past attended the Community church in Southampton- a "church" pretty far removed from my idea of a church at any rate. I don't know about now but when I attended in the past there was no symbolism as such. There were songs sure but it was up to the individual how much they participated or not (which IMO is how it should be!). I respect the faith my father has though I do not share it to the same degree precisely because the last thing he ever does is ram it down people's throats. His belief is that he shows people he is a Christian through the way he lives his life so there is never any need to go out of his way to mention it. I think there would be some disagreements about your statement that religions believe in the same God. My experience is that believers of religions believe in one God but that it is not necessarily the same. In regards to your last point, I would say that the belief in God is pretty fundamental to being a Christian (though of course it is entirely possible to live by the teachings of Christianity though not believe in God.) Thanks for the interesting conversation, I of course can't even begin to know any of the answers but that's how I see it (just to make it blindingly obvious to notnowcato.)

Not at all. I just didn't appreciate notnowcato's tone, especially as he has had numerous run ins with me in the past. I considered it pretty pathetic to pick up on that comment when it was obvious that it was my opinion. It wasn't even a particularly important point in the context of my entire reply. Back to the thread...

Will sign for Spurs tomorrow no doubt.

Same source as before though...

Of course its an opinion from my experience. I didn't imagine you would assume it was an absolute fact unless you were incredibly dim.

In my experience yes.

But they have linked us to every player that we have signed. Even with some wrong ones that is a very high percentage to get right. Either they are very lucky or they do actually know who we are being linked with.

No I am talking about the players we have been linked with who have then signed. Every player we have signed in the past two seasons was known about a long time before in the press.

Provably because the press have been absolutely spot on with regards saints transfers over the last two seasons.

I'm not being negative. Why is questioning someone 'crying' on Friday over this negative? As has been proven it was all much too premature. Yeah but waiting a bit before celebrating too much is negative to some people...

You have quite an antiquated view of religion. Its mostly Catholicism that gets dictated to by their church institution. Essentially a church is just a group of people who worship god getting together.

When I said at the time it was premature and got shouted down. Ho hum...

Precisely. Plenty of people are Christians without subscribing to the idiocy of an institution called the church. Just as many people are Muslim without going on a prayer mat five times a day and going to a temple.

I don't think its wrong to question people but I do believe that as long as someone isn't hurting anyone or breaking the law then they can do whatever they like. If someone has a deeply help faith then frankly I couldn't give a toss where they got it from or why they believe it. If it is making their lives better and those of the people around them then best of luck to them.

I very much agree with you there.

Who cares about the word Christian? You could call it good values for all I care. Fact is that Christian values are IMO a good thing. Of course they aren't owned by Christianity but it is the values taught by Christianity. Does that sound better?

Its true though. Although some people will say it doesn't matter, if this doesn't go through then its awfully disappointing.

Its not going to happen is it. Sad times

Right near my house

Exactly. Either we pay what they want or they hawk him around elsewhere. They hold all the cards here.