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Alpine shows that his opinion is a pile of turd.

Alpine shows himself to be a clueless nobhead again! Lol

**** alpine you negative piece of crap. Fantastic!

Word of warning: saints will do worse and reading will do better 2nd half. We may get a win but I think draw which is still a fantastic result

Cleared off the line first minute. Lol. We are going to lose!

Unfortunately I am posting on my mobile so it is difficult to reply to everything. Please read my replies and baj's then you will realise what britain as a nation will lose. Better yet, type no2id into google and read for yourself. I wont convince you clearly and you will reply with some 'witty' response so this a bit of a wasted post

Robsk- I agree. Apologies for the short reply but I am on my mobile. I would never expect Britain to be the same as America but just to feel that the country is changing for the better due to a political appointment and to make some of the public more willing to help out would be enough for me. Lots will never care because they are fools but there must be many like me who are desperate for something to get behind and believe in and help to make a difference.

Thanks to everyone for replying but my point was more about his campaign and his inspirational qualities rather than if he 'succeeds' or not. He is inspiring ordinary americans to do things personally to help make america a better country. The only thing the political parties in britain inspire is apathy. I don't blame the public for that, I blame the parties. If there was a campaign here which refused to concentrate on the negatives and concede that the party in power has done things well then I would vote for them if they had a sensible plan to make britain better

Of course but then I have a fair bit to lose as well that I would consider very precious.

...That we had someone like him over here? I don't mean a black leader ad I'm not naieve enough to believe that he will keep to all his promises, but he is a man who inspires real hope to the people of his country. He came accross to me as someone who recognises that his country is going wrong and wants to mae a real change for the better, regardless of political parties and previous wars. It's almost as if he is wiping the slate clean and changing America's outlook on things. I long for a leader and a party for Britain who would recognise that Britain has lost its way somewhat and look to win voters not by trashing the other party but by having superior policies, by offering a viable alternative to the current direction and by letting the nation have its say on issues. David Cameron appealed to my initially. I remember watching Question Time when he first came to power and he refused to get drawn into a slanging match about Labour. It wasn't long before he descended back into the tired British ways of politics, scoring cheap points and worrying about making his campaign as vague as possible rather than actually devising a real way to be better than Labour. Freedoms are being restricted, citizens are monitored more than ever, employers have to jump through ever increasing hoops to achieve anything, HIPS are a maddening waste of money, building work and events like the Olympics are never achieved on time and on budget, the Euro will no doubt be implemented very soon, we are forging ever closer ties with Europe and allowing Brussels to control our laws, ethnic minorities are often favoured over White British citizens (everyone should be equal, the idea of an employer having an ethnic quota is simply ridiiculous). All these and many more are killing things that I love about Britain and I struggle to remember positive moves any government has done in my lifetime which has bought about real change for the better. I suppose what saddens me most is the underhand and devious nature that many policies are voted through. The EU constitution was rejected yet they just renamed it as something else and passed it anyway to avoid a referendum over here. They will do the same with the Euro eventually or say that it will help prevent immigration and terrorism (see ID cards.) Remember children, government knows best. Britain needs some inspiration and positivity before anything really gets any better. Barrack Obama's election win made me slightly sad because I looked at the state of the parties over here and I saw none of that inspiration. Does it suit the main political parties to have a low turnout? No idea, but it will probably get wrse before it gets any better. I expect whoever wins the next election to be largely the same as labour and that's the main problem. Sorry for the rather long thread, I was just interested to see if anyone felt the same way.

I bet the war generation laughed at the dea of a national ID card. If this gets the go ahead then I certainly wouldn't rule smething like this out in fifty years time. It's a slippery slope and as the next generation comes through they become more accepting to it.

If anyone says that they have no problem with it, can they not see that bit by bit our freedoms are becoming more restricted? Just say this does come into force and is found (unsurprisingly) not to make much of a difference. Will they claim that we need to go further? At what point do you say that's enough? Is it right for the government to track our every move? Is it right that a citizen of this country could potentially be stopped and asked to prove that they belong here? The government can use this data to tell us what to do if they were that way inclined. Imagine someone like Thatcher in power armed with all this knowledge from ID cards. The thought scares me. S13 SFC you may well be too young to appreciate the value of freedom but I'll be dammed if I don't fight for the right to live in my country without being forced to prove who I am (remember forced is the word here, ID cards are being imposed upon you rather than allowing you to opt in.) On top of all that it is an obscene waste of money. I for one will not be carrying one, regardless of consequences. I can't imagine any support for this from the older generation, I shudder to think how things will change during my lifetime and all because people don't care because they have nothing to hide! Can you not see that that is not the issue? You shouldn't have to prove that you have done nothing wrong and that you are who you say you are. Freedom is a basic human right and it is getting eaten into. Its something I really feel strongly about because it is being imposed upon people by playing on their fears and that infuriates me.

Except of course the london bombers were british. I bet you anything it will be an abysmal cost to implement. I don't want to be in a situation where I am challenged in the street for my ID card. What if I have misplaced it? Having to prove who you are should not be imposed upon you by the country of your birth IMO. Holding a driving license is a choice but this is not. Terrible terrible idea and just a further example of an erosion of liberties

Coupled with the fact that costs will almost certainly spiral massively

I don't really reply to these posts but that is so hilariously true.

The National Identity Scheme will bring real and recognisable benefits for British citizens Home office What?

Hopefully a change of government will put a stop to this nonsense.

Nope no rush its just lying around. Email me some details to jwright96@hotmail.com

Seriously f**k off!

Portsmouth's prospects of solving their financial problems could be hit by planning delays to their proposed new stadium, which in turn, may adversely affect a possible takeover of the club. (The Times) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/7739003.stm LOL

You don't have PM

35 quid is fine. I'm not going to Reading this Saturday but are you around for any home games? Or I may be going to Charlton.

They took our jobs!

How far back does your ancestry have to go before you are truly British?

It's on wikleaks.org. It's in text format so I've saved them all.