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A pathetic and unevidenced claim. What a shame as I thought you were looking to engage seriously rather than just troll.

There's a while host of things you coukd conceivably do that coukd increase your risk of death or injury as you well know. The point is that the blame should not be on the victim if some nutter decides to kill you for your speech. In exactly the same way as if some right wing nutter decided to kill Corbyn because of his disagreement over some of his views. I wouldn't be saying essentially that Corbyn needs to take some responsibility for saying things that people disagree with in public. He's perfectly entitled to do so in a free society.

Have a little think about the author of the post and why that particular agenda and poster may provoke a different reaction than others might. Not exactly a gotcha either is it.

So you should be cowed by the mob and allow terrorists to win? You shouldn't engage in lawful speech in public lest you be butchered by an extremist nutter?

I know some bits but I don't think you have to know to recognise the problem. I don't actually give a shit about some made up religion. If we had extremist Sikh's indulging in industrial rape of working class girls and then being covered up for fear of upsetting the Sikh community then I'd be equally upset. The Islamic religion or indeed Muslims generally -unless they had some part in it or the cover up or facilitation- aren't very relevant either. What I care about is sick fucks committing their terror attacks in the name of their dodgy religion and unfortunately there appears to be an awful lot more of them coming from Islam than any other religion. I think our country can do more to combat it. I think prisons should be looked at more closely, extremism coming from Islamic faith schools, clubs outside of schools and the ideology from some mosques. Dealing with all of that would be a start as well as getting rid of those who have committed or supported backwards views and don't have a right to be here.

If you were the organiser of the event what would you do in response to the tweet from the police?

These are reasonable moderate people who were born in the UK that no one would describe as extremist at all yet they both blamed Rushdie for putting himself in that position which really surprised me.

Are you suggesting that for many their interpretation of Islam didn't act as a motivator for these types of crimes? It was cultural as well as religious as evidenced by Islamic verses being shouted at some of the victims as well as other evidence that I can't remember and can't be bothered to look up. The reason they have mostly been referred to as grooming gangs until recently was because some people were squeamish about calling it out for what it is and didn't want people to blame all Pakistanis or all Muslims which I can understand but clearly their interpretation of Islam as well as other cultural aspects has played a part in what happened.

A couple of years ago I had a casual conversation with a couple of people I know who are just normal British people who happen to be Muslim. We got onto the subject of the attack on Salman Rushdie and I was genuinely shocked that both of them felt he was responsible for the attack on his life. I'd be interested to know what percentage of UK Muslims felt that way because I'd wager it was higher than others in the country.

And if that prediction comes to pass I'd expect a proportional shift in focus to address rising extremism from other areas. You must admit though that there is an uneasiness from some to address the obviously problem of Islamic extremism lest they be tarred with a racist or islamophobic moniker. Fear of being branded is behind much of A paralysis and failure to deal with some of these issues in a timely manner. Hence the Pakistani rape gangs.

What are your thoughts on this?

No one has asked you to.b I'm not either. You did however appear to broaden the issue by saying that the problem was extremism when I was highlighting the problem of Islamic extremism which is the cause of the majority of terror related problems in the UK. It sounds like do actually agree though so that's good.

It's a ten year old joke from a dead comedian.

Obviously the primary focus in the immediate aftermath of a terror attack should be on the community that's been terrorised.

As long as we agree that it's not unusual to want a proportional focus to be on the Islamist extremists who represent the biggest threat by far then we don't have an argument.

Whilst it is obviously silly to be scared of an entire religion and everything associated with it, police have arrested a man and a woman on suspicion of planning a terror attack so it's not yet certain this was a lone Islamist nutter.

OK I'll reword it for you. You'd be stupid to have your focus fixed largely on the overwhelming threat. Obviously I didn't mean only focus on Islamic extremism to the exclusion of all other extremism.

Accepting that we have a specific problem with Islamic extremism that takes up significantly more time and resources to combat than any other type of extremism is not fearing all Muslims.

Why do the raw numbers matter? There's enough Islamist nutters and people in this country who support them that it's a problem that takes up 75% of MI5 resources. That's a significant Islamist extremist problem that's significantly larger than every other form of extremism.

What are you talking about ? Of course you should look at the 25% as well but three quarters of your work should be on the bit causing three quarters of the problems. There really shouldn't be an argument with that. The religion should be irrelevant.

Of course having your focus primarily on the largest threat does not mean ignoring other terrorist activities from other extremist ideologies.

How about the focus on the form of extremism that the director of MI5 states makes up roughly 75% of their workload? I'd suggest that given that startling statistic you'd be stupid to have a focus anywhere else.

Why are you posting about something that never happens then ? We have load of examples of terrorist attacks happening in the UK motivated by extremist Islam. We have zero to my knowledge happening to advance the cause of extremist atheism so the fact that it's feasible that someone could be motivated by that is of no relevance. Its factually accurate to say that we have a problem with extremist Islam in this country and we should take steps to deal with it. The fact there are other extremist ideology with different motivations committing terror attacks at a lower rate is also something that needs combating but it's a different thing. Highlighting the serious problem with extremist Islam is not suggesting that only religious extremism exists or that the only problem we face is Islamism.

It's a significant enough number that according to different sources, 60-70% of terrorist attacks or plots and convictions over the past couple of decades had Islamist links or motivations. It's significant enough that a number of people have died in high profile terror incidents in recent memory.