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"If people can take an extreme stance on the name of their god, they can surely take it in the name of no god." Where are the terror attacks committed in the name of no god? When Jews are murdered or people blown up in order to advance the cause of atheism then it would probably be worthy of discussion.

Fair enough .

And if a significant number of these extremists claim to be following Islam and claim to be committing their acts in the name of that religion that isn't noteworthy or worth thinking about ?

My point was that your suggesting that atheist extremist ideology is leading to terror attacks at the same frequency as those committed in the name of extremist Islam which is clearly untrue. If we have Christian extremists murdering Jews and blowing themselves up at pop concerts or on the tube in the name of Jesus then I can assure you I'd be equally fixated on that particular group.

I didn't say either of those things. I said that the UK has a problem with extremist Islam. I have huge disagreement with some of the mainstream views of those who practice Islam because they are bigoted and wrong. Nowhere have I said I'm scared or prejudice towards all Muslims, simply that there are too many in this country with objectionable views and too many that are extremist. By refusing to acknowledge the real problem with the extreme interpretation of Islam (and actually some of the problems with more moderate versions as well.) you will never be able to reduce the problem. Pakistani rape gangs happened at least in part because people were too scared to call put the ideology that viewed English girls as fair game because they weren't Islamic which included branding sone of these girls like pieces of meat. Their interpretation of their religion gave the a pass to do this on a huge scale and people covered it up. Similarly with Islamist terrorist attacks.

No one is murdering Jews or blowing themselves up at pop concerts in the name of atheism. Even if there is an isolated case of a terrorist atheist it rather pales in comparison compared to the rate and number committed in the name of extremist Islam.

No one has ever said that. We have a big problem with extremist Islam in this country and in many other countries too. That doesn't mean there aren't other forms of extremism. Why not just be honest? You know we have a big problem with it. It's not going to make you islamophobic for pointing out the obvious.

Who has ever suggested that extremism is only ever in the name of religion?

What relevance does guns murders in America have to do with terrorist attacks in the UK? It's not some nebulous extremism. The stats clearly show that we have a problem with nutters who believe an interpretation of Islam that is extremist. The inability to call that out for what it is has already done a lot of harm. Yes there are other extremist threats from elsewhere too but to deny that Islamism isn't a huge issue is just perverse.

The fact you don't know the religion of the other group tells it's own story. We have a problem with extremist Islam in this country that's just a fact.

There appear to be a larger number of extremists claiming to be of the Islamic faith committing crimes and atrocities in the UK than other religious groups.

Why was this man in the UK? How did he remain undetected? What made him into an extremist? Who knew and helped him? Why was he not stopped earlier? Why is it particular types of people who carry out attacks of this type? How can we reduce the likelihood of this happening again in the future? These are all questions the government should be asking and finding answers for.

Imagine indulging in an ideology that uses a foreign conflict as justification for mass murder on the streets of Britain. Just evil.

The responsibility for this attack is the extremist ideology and the attackers alone.

There will no doubt be some sick people who think that some Jews got what was coming to them. I've already seen some on social media blaming Netanyahu.

Its difficult I agree. What we need to do is fully investigate where there is reports or evidence of such ideology. That means full investigations into mosques without fear or favour. Any charges that can be proven of this sort of thing then they either need prosecuting or removing from this country where possible. We have precedent for stripping someone of citizenship where they have links and options to go elsewhere and I'd like to see more of that. No longer should you be allowed to become a citizen and then just abuse this country, it's hospitality and it's citizens with little consequence. No one who isn't already a citizen should be staying in this country if there's evidence of any of this stuff. If nothing else it must make moderate and reasonable followers of Islam furious to have any association with these medieval savages. For too long authorities have turned a blind eye to a lot of this for fear of being accused of racism. If you want Reform to be less popular then one of the things the government should be doing is getting a grip on this problem and probably proscribing quite a few new groups.

If someone has come here whether legally or illegally and supports an ideology that leads to the death of Jews or others or they harbour support for terror attacks then I want us to change the law if necessary and do as much as we can to get them removed. Much of this threat has been imported and like I said we have our own problems without making things much worse. Anyone who isn't already a British citizen and it can be proven supports or indulges in this sort of ideology should be removed from this country.

It shouldn't need saying but there's loads of reasonable followers of Islam who integrate into the community and are generally just normal like you and me. There's also quite a lot with objectionable views about people like Jews for example or gay people. Or women. There's also another group that follow extremist Islam, have no intention of integrating, have awful extreme views, treat non Muslims with disdain or like pieces of meat and are potentially a danger to others. They shouldn't be in this country. We have failed by allowing so many here.

Second generation immigrants are often more extreme than their parents- Rudakubana for example -because they romanticise where their family is from. Combine that with being inculcated in backwards and extremist ideology and it's a recipe for disaster. No one is ready to have a serious conversation about it. Too many people in this country have extremist beliefs linked to Islam and it puts communities like the jewish one at risk. I know people who take it in turns on the door guarding a synagogue. It's disgusting and it's only the followers of one ideology that are doing it. This country needs to be much much tougher on extremist Islam.

Why are these evil picks in our country? We have enough of our own problems without importing true believers of a murderous ideology. Get them out.

How many Asian rape convictions have there been in Rochdale alone? Remarkable.

TBF I'm not sure the changes made much difference to that but I am obviously glad it worked out.

Maybe offer him a new deal after meeting certain conditions like playing a certain amount of games or consistent level of fitness.

I can't see any bigger clubs touching him with a ten foot pole after six more games with some form. He's been injured for essentially three years.