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Personally I think if you come here as an adult as the dad has done and you spout stuff like he has done and clearly brought up a terrorist then for me a piece of paper doesn't make you British. There should be more than that in my opinion. Shamima begum was stripped of her citizenship for good reason and that power should be used more frequently.I accept that's just my personal view.

I'm not sure any class is called for when mocking an Islamic extremist murderer. Seriously though, a man of Syrian ethnicity with a father who has openly expressed anti semitic sentiments online, is out on bail for an alleged rape and has multiple other criminal convictions and not even on the radar of counter terrorism? It's an utter failure of the system.

Sounds like it's time to start doing a bit of looking back in anger.

I get that it's common to cite foreign policy and Palestine as “reasons,” but let’s be honest: that doesn’t explain why the vast majority of terror attack in the UK over the past 20 years has been linked to extremist Islam, not atheists, not Christians, not Buddhists. If this was just about Western interventions, you’d see Hindus or Sikhs blowing themselves up too, given Britain’s history in India. But you don’t. The truth is that the ideology matters. It’s not just “foreign policy blowback,” it’s a very specific interpretation of Islam that’s driving this. Pretending otherwise is just dodging the obvious. Most Muslims are peaceful and want to get on with their lives — although some of them hold objectionable views-but that doesn’t change the fact that the terror threat here overwhelmingly comes from Islamist extremists, not anyone else.

Have you never wondered why there is a particular emnity towards Jews from some Muslims?

Agreed. We are and have been much too soft. Successive governments have put their citizens at risk and are a big reason for the rise of Reform.

Firstly why have we not been more selective taking people from countries that we know statistically are much higher risk? Secondly when we see disgusting posts like his father's is he not then monitored with a view to possibly removing the threat back to Syria where he came from?

There's no mention of Jews in the Qaran?

Sounds like it was under a Blair government.

A particular type of extremist that seemingly hates Jews and appears to be influenced by his father to hate Jews. I wonder what extremist ideology it was that caused him to hate Jews to the extent that he'd want to go out and murder them? I wonder why so many of these types of extremist attacks are committed by the sons of foreign born parents from particular regions?

Does this refer to something else or did he know what was going to happen?

How did this guy get into the country? Was he given British citizenship? If he posted this on October 7th why was he not immediately under investigation? Clearly his views have had an impact on his son.

Edit: found it

Fair enough I wasn't paying attention but the point still applies.

They essentially said he deserved what happened to him because of what he did. They weren't directly calling for his death but they didn't blame the attacker either. I don't give a shit about soggy starting a thread solely designed to push an agenda. My response had nothing at all to do with child sexual abuse perpetrated by followers of catholicism which is obviously disgusting.

A pathetic and unevidenced claim. What a shame as I thought you were looking to engage seriously rather than just troll.

There's a while host of things you coukd conceivably do that coukd increase your risk of death or injury as you well know. The point is that the blame should not be on the victim if some nutter decides to kill you for your speech. In exactly the same way as if some right wing nutter decided to kill Corbyn because of his disagreement over some of his views. I wouldn't be saying essentially that Corbyn needs to take some responsibility for saying things that people disagree with in public. He's perfectly entitled to do so in a free society.

Have a little think about the author of the post and why that particular agenda and poster may provoke a different reaction than others might. Not exactly a gotcha either is it.

So you should be cowed by the mob and allow terrorists to win? You shouldn't engage in lawful speech in public lest you be butchered by an extremist nutter?

I know some bits but I don't think you have to know to recognise the problem. I don't actually give a shit about some made up religion. If we had extremist Sikh's indulging in industrial rape of working class girls and then being covered up for fear of upsetting the Sikh community then I'd be equally upset. The Islamic religion or indeed Muslims generally -unless they had some part in it or the cover up or facilitation- aren't very relevant either. What I care about is sick fucks committing their terror attacks in the name of their dodgy religion and unfortunately there appears to be an awful lot more of them coming from Islam than any other religion. I think our country can do more to combat it. I think prisons should be looked at more closely, extremism coming from Islamic faith schools, clubs outside of schools and the ideology from some mosques. Dealing with all of that would be a start as well as getting rid of those who have committed or supported backwards views and don't have a right to be here.

If you were the organiser of the event what would you do in response to the tweet from the police?

These are reasonable moderate people who were born in the UK that no one would describe as extremist at all yet they both blamed Rushdie for putting himself in that position which really surprised me.

Are you suggesting that for many their interpretation of Islam didn't act as a motivator for these types of crimes? It was cultural as well as religious as evidenced by Islamic verses being shouted at some of the victims as well as other evidence that I can't remember and can't be bothered to look up. The reason they have mostly been referred to as grooming gangs until recently was because some people were squeamish about calling it out for what it is and didn't want people to blame all Pakistanis or all Muslims which I can understand but clearly their interpretation of Islam as well as other cultural aspects has played a part in what happened.

A couple of years ago I had a casual conversation with a couple of people I know who are just normal British people who happen to be Muslim. We got onto the subject of the attack on Salman Rushdie and I was genuinely shocked that both of them felt he was responsible for the attack on his life. I'd be interested to know what percentage of UK Muslims felt that way because I'd wager it was higher than others in the country.

And if that prediction comes to pass I'd expect a proportional shift in focus to address rising extremism from other areas. You must admit though that there is an uneasiness from some to address the obviously problem of Islamic extremism lest they be tarred with a racist or islamophobic moniker. Fear of being branded is behind much of A paralysis and failure to deal with some of these issues in a timely manner. Hence the Pakistani rape gangs.