hypochondriac

I posted some nice words about Gloucester Saint yesterday but it appears I was wrong. I hadn't realised but he's apparently a gutless prick and a fucking pussy. My mistake clearly.

You're acting as if labour hadn't used the press at every opportunity during opposition to drone on about tory corruption, cronyism and lack on integrity - which is fair comment - and now people can point to examples of the same from labour so of course it's going to be highlighted. They were quite happy to moralise when the shoe was on the other foot and now you have the frankly laughable sight of someone like Jess Phillips who hasn't stopped going on about the tories going on telly to try to defend Starmer for exactly the type of thing she has been up in arms about. Like I said, Starmer is an intelligent chap and should have predicted how things like this would be received. The fact he didn't is the most baffling part of the whole thing. Even if you think it doesn't matter, it was really politically stupid.

I don't actually care about it but I do find it quite amusing given how much they banged on about the dodgy tories accepting similar types of gifts. No one gives someone 70k for clothes just because and doesn't expect anything from that person down the line. The defence from some seems to be "well it is t as bad or as shameless as the tories" which isn't really any sort of defence at all.

Yes I assume so.

Yes that was my point. Likely in my view that lesley and Fernandes will be deemed premier league quality but certainly not yet.

Good post Gloucester Saint. I disagree with you a lot but of late I've found your responses to be respectful and reasonable. Much better to have a discussion that doesn't get personal.

No I don't think I have given your posting style towards other posters as well. They have had some impact but I didn't deny they did. They aren't the cause of our overall uncompetitiveness or the reason we've shipped so many goals.

Fraser has a proven history of performing to a good standard in this league.

I fail to see how we have a lack of PL quality players. Ramsdale Sugawara Bednarek Stephens Kwp Taylor Downes Lallana Dibling Cornet Fraser Are all example of players who have either performed adequately or better in this league before or who I believe appear to have the necessary talent to be described as Premier league quality.

We may see what his expectation is if we are without any points from the next three or four games. If his attitude is that relegation is the expectation then we will just carry on.

I'm not getting excited at all and I'd appreciate Less of the patronising tone or we can just end the conversation here. I simply don't agree with you that those three things have been the cause of our poor start. We haven't been competitive for large parts of these early games and I don't want that trend to continue. Certainly against forest and Brentford and a large part of the United game.

Again it's the manner of relegation though isn't it. I don't see how Martin can retain any credibility if he continues to get smashed every week and remaining uncompetitive.

The potential for two relegations in three years probably doesn't make him thrilled.

Will be very interesting to see where we're at in another 7 or 8 games.

Whatabout, Whatabout, whatabout

Martin bigging up the performance and how brilliant it was against Everton. It was very average for me but maybe he's trying to use it to inspire a performance against Ipswich.

He might well do but what confidence would you then have that he wouldn't take us straight back down again? We've also scored one goal in four games and I'd say it's the manner of the defeats and how u competitive we have been for large parts of the games that has been the concern for me rather than just the results themselves.

Exactly. How could shipping multiple goals every game with the current defence get more fucked up?

Thanks for telling me what I think but I'm perfectly capable of articulating what I believe without you making it up. Cheers.

Hasn't he held himself to a different standard by his own statements?

It depends how we go down to be honest. If it continues like this it simply isn't good enough. We aren't hard to beat which is the minimum I would be expecting.

Didn't we just agree a new deal for train drivers which kept them on their existing silly contracts and asked for no increase in productivity or negotiate any more favourable terms?

I love the managing of expectations. As if we should just accept that if we did get relegated again that would just be alright and expected in some way. If we go straight back down then that's shit and it's because we've cocked up again. This is particularly true if we finish bottom and get a seeing to every week. It's not acceptable and the fans shouldn't just be happy to go along with it.

Hence my line "yes there's a very long way to go"