hypochondriac

Its not really an emotional response is it. It's a response based on the fact we have seen no positive change from last season. If we got rid of puel because of the style of play and the poor performances then I'm assuming pellegrino shouldn't be feeling particularly comfortable. I'd give him until Christmas at the moment but if we are hovering around the relegation zone then I would get rid and bring in someone more willing to change our style of play to suit the players we have at our disposal.

Hmm. We got a point but another poor performance that was lacking in entertainment for long periods

And saints scoring means I don't even get the silver lining of points for my fantasy team.

You will get a load of sh*t for this post from the usual people but if we fail to change the system then I can't see how he can stay. This is turgid rubbish.

He's been no worse than anyone else. They've all been rubbish.

I couldn't remember one but I've only vaguely been paying attention because I'm bored solid again.

Have we had a shot on target yet?

You realise it's possible to write posts from a phone even if you have gone to a game?

Pretty much this. Absolutely no point on getting hung up on things like Trump that you have zero control over. Enjoy things with your partner if you have one, watch the football but don't take it too seriously, come on here to blow off a bit of steam and argue with the usual suspects and goon holidays and experience other cultures. Be thankful you've been born where you are where these things are available to you rather than north Korea or some other hell hole that you can't escape. Life really isn't that bad it's just that modern technology makes it seem a lot worse.

Do you believe that it is not the case that Muslims in the UK and abroad have more regressive views with regards to homosexuality than the average views of the rest of the UK? Clearly this is the case even if you ignore polls and look at the anecdotal evidence of the experiences of homosexuals from the community and by actually talking to UK based Muslims.

No I wasn't I was talking about the higher rate of regressive attitudes with regards to homosexuality in the UK Muslim community in comparison to the average attitudes of the rest of the UK population. You're the one who decided to play whataboutery with catholics. That has zero relevance to the topic and clearly this tactic was used to try to avoid admitting that there is a problem here. It's nothing like you talking about paedophilia unless you have statistics that suggest that attitudes to paedophilia amongst catholics differ dramatically from the attitudes of the rest of the UK- I strongly suspect this is not the case.

Again, absolutely no relevance to regressive attitudes within the Islamic community. Simply deflection.

Why do you continually indulge in whataboutery and refuse to discuss the issues? The Catholic church is entirely irrelevant in this conversation and it appears you are just deflecting rather like soggy does.

Jwp does but he's pants.

Of course not but it's yet more evidence of these types of attitudes. The vast majority of Muslims do not support homosexuality and many believe it should be made illegal. It's hardly the most controversial statement in the world but some are incapable of having a simple conversation about it without indulging in whataboutery or denying that it is the case.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/muslim-islam-gay-marriage-relationships-faith-pride-christianity-culture-a7835671.html%3Famp Many argue that to be gay and Muslim is an utter irreconcilability – “no Muslim is gay” was a remark I saw on*Twitter today. When one learns that The Muslim Council of Britain opposed same-sex marriage in 2013, we understand how these views are generated. So again I ask, are you suggesting that on average, UK Muslims do not hold more regressive views regarding homosexuality than the rest of the UK population? If you are suggesting that then you're just denying facts at this point and I would suggest are being wilfully ignorant.

Are you suggesting that on average Muslims do not have more regressive views with regards to homosexuality than the rest of the UK population? Because even many Muslims would disagree with you there if that is what you are saying and there are studies that show this rather than your anecdotal evidence of all the evil white male homophobes. Did you see the gay Muslim bloke last month who supposedly married his partner? Immediately received a tide of death threats.

I assume we won't be getting a world cup sing in the same vein as the Shakira one from South Africa. Very nice that was.

Even if that poll looks dodgy - and that does appear to be the case- everyone knows that a worryingly high percentage or Muslims have extremely regressive attitudes, particularly regarding homosexuals and so called "apostates". More liberal Muslims - ones who should be supported more- have recognised that these attitudes are a problem and have publicly denounced these views which are undoubtedly a barrier between Muslims with these views and the general public. The point is not the specific numbers from a dodgy poll, it's that these sort of views are held proportionally much higher in the Muslim population and its a problem that needs sorting.

Despite my post literally saying the opposite to that. You only read what you want to see rather than the content of the post and I suspect you are beyond hope. What specific suggestion in my post did you take issue with? For the benefit of others though if soggy come out with "what else can Muslims do?" again, let's remember it already been answered on numerous occasions and so far he has ignored the responses.

No one has a problem with all diversity, but blithely uttering something as glib as diversity is our strength as if something which is diverse is automatically better is idiotic. Diversity CAN be a strength but clearly not in every case abd the potential negative consequences of too much diversity should be acknowledged so that we can have an honest conversation about where the west and Europe in particular is heading. If you don't reply to my previous post by the way I trust you won't be using the "what else can Muslims do?" line again because that's about the tenth time you brought it up in this thread alone and it's been refuted every time.

"diversity is our strength."

Agreeing that the teachings in the religion and people reading the teachings literally is a problem would be a good thing for non radical Muslims to do (many already do this like Maajid on lbc but many more ring in to challenge him which shows it is still a big problem.) publicly backing measures to install more liberal imams and encouraging liberal mosques where men, women and gays are allowed would be another positive step (this sort of thing is happening in Germany for example: https://www.politico.eu/article/berlin-feminist-mosque-ibn-rushd-goethe-germany-first-liberal-mosque-sparks-debate-in-berlin/amp/) If I were a practising Muslim, I'd be outraged that extremists are blackening the name of my religion like Maajid and others are and I'd be backing more surveillance in mosques, greater self policing and encouraging greater reporting of imams who encourage this stuff (of which there are a significant number- some of whom have been a problem for a number of years.) The problem is that whilst there are many Muslims who should be commended for their efforts to combat this, it is clear that there are many who whilst they do not actively support regressive views and terrorist attitudes, they quietly agree with many of the ideas behind the attacks and regressive attitudes towards gay people, Jewish people, converts etc. Look how many Muslims who will refuse to answer the question that "in an ideal world if the sharia conditions are met, is stoning for adultery permissable?" many living in britain believe that to be the case. Islam needs as many loud reforming voices as possible and the more we hear publicly from the likes of the Quillium foundation putting pressure on the government and fellow Muslims to speak out, acknowledge the problem and fight to eradicate it then the better. The more this happens, the better relations will be between Muslims and non Muslims.

Does your wife know you use such offensive language on here?

Other than pompey, it's pretty much the only thing that unites people of all political persuasions on here.