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I personally don't think staying in the EU because it's difficult to leave and may take five years should be a factor when making the decision. We should be considering how things will be in the long term not in the very immediate future. I get why people want to stay but not the argument that it's hard to leave the club so we shouldn't bother.

Ah sweet. I'm perfectly capable of replying myself thanks.

I'm not sure that's entirely true. I suppose it depends what your definition of moderate is. There is a regressive element within Muslim communities for definite but I wouldn't know how widespread that actually is. I don't think it's fair to say there has be no demonstrations from sections of Muslim society against terrorism because there certainly has been.

It appears that when we get rid of the complete loons, some sanity and seeds of agreement begin to form.

Fair enough that's a fair way of looking at things. I don't think that's the case for every Western fighter but I'm sure that with some IS fighters there is an element of that.

And went to a nativity with their kid.

To be fair it's an accurate use of the word.

To be fair I think there would have been question marks over some of his foreign policy decisions regardless of 9/11. I accept that's speculation but he certainly had the attitude seen in Team America.

Asked and answered from two pints above.

What a stupid and ignorant tweet. Doesn't make your statements about her being a Christian any less idiotic. If anything it reinforces the stupidity of that comment.

That's a no then you have no idea about Christianity. Just to sum up for you, belief in God and Jesus is not a guarantee that someone is a Christian. Believing in God and then committing acts that are the polar opposite to what most consider to be the teachings of Jesus does not make you a Christian. Hitler may have expressed a belief in God and mentioned God on his belt buckle but that doesn't make him a Christian. Katie Hopkins may have called herself Jesus and wanted to watch her child's nativity but it doesn't make her a Christian. Pretty simple really and not that difficult to understand. Tough for you though!

They both matter in the context of the thread. The former matters because it discredits your later posts by highlighting how little you know about religion. Of course the latter matters but our definitions of Islamaphobia and racism are clearly wildly different.

Many would argue that there are some distinct similarities which is what I assumed the person I was replying to was alluding to (I know subtlety is not your strong point.) Arguably both used an aggressive political ideology which resulted in the deaths of innocent people. Clearly not on the same scale though which is why I said they weren't the same. Not sure why I had to hand hold you through that though.

I don't think you understand Christianity at all. Belief in God and also Jesus in isolation does not make you a Christian. Are you aware that Jesus pops up in other religions too including Islam? Are the Muslims who believe in him Christian too?

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not complaining about the club trying, I'm complaining about when we release stuff to the media before anything has actually happened - and often before we get the outcome that we don't want.

Belief in God in isolation does not make someone a Christian though. It's what confused soggy over the whole Katie Hopkins debacle.

We clearly don't. The Clyne and Toby articles especially were plants to the journalists we usually leak stuff to. It's more likely than not that we have released this information.

Oh I have no problem with us trying, I just wish we would keep it out of the papers unless we are very confident of a positive outcome.

Tbf I'm not sure it's what someone shouts that determines what religion they are from. I could shout "Coldplay are incredible" before kicking my neighbour to death but it doesn't mean I like them.

I retract what I said earlier. Why didn't you tell me you had the photographic proof Tim?

I hate all this newspaper stuff. The same thing happened when we sold Clyne and lost Toby etc. Part of me thinks we do it to try and show that we tried when they leave.

Eh? I said they weren't the same. I'm confused are you agreeing with me here? I wasn't even talking to you.

Hitler was not a Christian.

There won't be any statistics on this matter so it's a matter of opinion where we will inevitably disagree. It is worth bearing in mind though that many of the Nazi atrocities were unknown at the time and I expect that had they been, Nazi sympathisers would have been much lower. That's certainly the case now at any rate.

And you would find a lot of sympathy for the view that he is not a Christian- certainly some of his actions would call that into question. I definitely don't think Bush and Hitler were the same though - at the very least as far as I'm aware, Bush's views are in no way as overtly counter to Christian teaching as Hitlers. You make a fair point though and there are definite shades of grey as far as Bush is concerned. Not sure what that has to do with Hitler unequivocally not being a Christian though.