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Absolutely clueless. The Charlton game was the worst display of management I've seen in over 50 years. Today ran it close. The only time Lallana came within 5 yds of the touchline, plays James in on the overlap, cross from the byeline we outnumber the back pedaling defence on the far post and we get an easy goal. Did we try it again no it was a fluke everybody just happened to be out of position in the immaculate diamond. We are 2-1 up get a penalty, scuffer grabs the ball, everybody lets him get on with it, he lines up 45 degrees off the line everybody including the bloody pigeons knew it was going right, you couldn't make it up. Saeijs or Surman, not McGoldrick, he scuffs his shots apart from the swinger he scored v Palace. The substitutions were bizarre two on the wrong side. How Wotton even started let alone got a three year contract is unbelievable. We reached rock bottom today. I've got a big smile on my face and I'm looking forward to next season without the bulk of this squad. Believe me we are on our way.

It's a no brainer, at the price NU/Aviva would settle for it is an absolute snip. If a football match was never played there it could pay for itself and turn a profit. The new owners will buy it, the football club shouldn't have to find a penny let alone the £2.4m a year we are paying at the moment. It is really a new start whoever buys the club and no millstones. If we do well the stadium will be packed and we will be able to afford good players.

For a researcher you really are behind the 8 ball, wed 1 in due diligence 2 awaiting proof of funds, thur 2 in due diligence 1 awaiting proof of funds. BBC/Sky/Setanta/Itv/Echo quoting the administrator.

It's a no brainer, the stadium will never be cheaper and without football could make a profit on it's own. I would expect whichever of the bidders succeed, to buy SLH including all it's assets.

The Trust unless through an emergency rescue it became the owners of SFC, should forget about fan directors and concentrate on building up a huge membership in a trust with real integrity and expertise that can liase with the owners and if they are not happy take them to task. Sensible owners will have no problem with an organisation like that, which has a legal status in it's own right. If a huge membership is built up it gives the trust a status that no owner could ignore. It's a bit like having a sensible, non militant nevertheless powerful union. Unless arrangements are struck, the union can exert real pressure. Ask Duncan he knows exactly where I am coming from.

If the trust revamps itself it would give you a genuine say.:smt117;)

I like Nick, he is coming over as a well meaning decent guy. He has been sensible and a pleasure to deal with, when under pressure the other night he stuck to our agreement. You can't expect more than that. Thanks for the support. SISA remind me of a chicken with it's neck broken, wings flapping, legs kicking, just hasn't realised its dead yet.

An association is not the way forward it is too wishy washy and in the event of another situation like the present would not be in a position to act decisively. A revamped Trust is the way to go. It is a legal entity and would need dynamism to get it going. I have no doubt those people are around right now because I've been in contact with them, all the professions, real expertise, dynamic people, achievers. That is the way to go, revamp the constitution, bring in postal ballots by the reform society and attract the ordinary fan. It would not attract the anarchic lunatic fringe because the postal ballot would neuter them. It would bring it's own integrity with it. With intelligent well qualified people running it it would be in pole position to represent the supporters concerns and interests with any owners. It is time to put Lowe, SISA and trust mk1 into the history books and move on. If we don't all this will just have been a bloody waste of time.

It's gone from 6 to 12 in two years due a knee operation but thank goodness it's on it's way down again, first target single figures by the end of the season. Are you going tomorrow? Ron is close to me if you are around.

Thanks Wade, of course actions speak louder than words, with me what you see is what you get. Unless of course I'm setting something up, then you won't hear or see anything until the result reveals itself.

I think a relaunched trust mk2 as a fans focal point is the way to go, combining all requirements and putting a strong legal entity in place, rather than an association.

I'm not part of the trust and we only have an agreement with them to facilitate a rescue if it becomes necessary. As each day goes by, that is more unlikely. It is purely a legal mechanism to protect the assets of any trust. The law and trust deed dictates what they do, I understand you are bitterly opposed to the trust however I would be a fool to ignore the ability of a readymade legal trust to accelerate a rescue if it became necessary. Whatever the owners, this trust should be revamped, beefed up and made attractive to join so that if this ever occurred again, the trust could be a powerful force representing a majority of the supporters and actually make a difference. It would be wrong to let it stagnate, the sensible supporter should join it and help it to be what the fans actually need, a powerful and credible voice. It won't be me as as soon as this crisis is over I'm out of it and back to playing golf and watching football and coming on here now and again.

I'll try not to wake you up. Thanks for that. I see no evidence of your concerns, that's not to say there aren't any. I would say that over five hours of chats over four days nick came over as energetic, interesting, loves the saints, and wants the best for the club and the trust. We had no problem concluding an arrangement. I personally would support what I've seen and respected people on here have confirmed that support. I look forward to seeing a revamping/relaunch of the trust and then use it as a focal point for all fans. Then the members can have whoever they want as the officers.

I think that if say both want to bid, they negotiate with the administrators who then designate a preferred bidder and then they move towards exchanging contracts and paying over the money.

I don't know and honestly I don't care.

For goodness sake Stanley it's to comply with trust law. I doubt they have recruited many new members and would suffer natural wastage. But the law requires anybody who was ever a member to always be counted.

I was told 4 but I personally haven't a clue.

It was explained in a copy of their rules published on here yesterday. Nick explained the current situation to me. The membership by law is everyone who has been a member to protect trust assets and to stop a trust letting the membership drop to zero and the committee walking off with the assets. This way all the members share the assets. the trust now have a data base which contains 400 approx current members. They are not claiming 1000 members. As for SISA they have no trust status therefore it is irrelevant what they do or don't do. My understanding is they have very few members.

If anyone's interested in fact and nobody seems to be. I wouldn't want to get in the way of conjecture. 2 bidders have proved funds and are into the due diligence stage. 1 further serious bidder has still to prove funds. That's it.

You really are a tiresome prat. It's the last thing on his mind. If you want to snipe have a go at me.

From where I stand it looks like the bids are for the whole package. I was quoted that £15m will more than cover it.

The BBC have had to shelve plans to film their new series 'CSI Portsmouth' They couldn't find any dental records and everyone had the same DNA.

The trust does not need to be as it is perceived. A powerful influx of new blood, expertise, and every contributor would be a member, literally thousands of contributors having a vote. Now tell me that wouldn't change it. There were only effectively three groups, once the trust and saintsweb/saveoursaints decided to get together supporting a rescue only, the fans bid was irrelevant and could not succeed. The SISA group have form, it was described to me in graphic detail by a number of people. Our group would not in any circumstances countenance that behaviour. The meeting just confirmed that they were incapable of a normal working relationship and confirmed their irrelevance to the two groups. I wouldn't work with them under any circumstances and to be fair them with me.

Thanks for the kind thoughts. I can more than look after myself and if you knew my background and reputation it's not me you would be fearing for. The fan ownership sceme was killed off yesterday afternoon in my lounge. not at the meeting 4 hours later. The SISA influence was sidelined at the same time. Last night's meeting was an intelligence gathering exercise from the parties present, other than SISA who didn't show any visible evidence of having any. The deal with the ST is that we carry on in a parallel way supporting each other on the understanding we are a last ditch rescue if all else fails. in the unlikely event of now being needed the trust is the ideal ready made vehicle to launch a rescue. At that stage there could be a combining and a revamp of the trust. We are now working together. Those that didn't want a back up plan can put their hands up now. I, Ron, Duncan and the saveoursaints group have worked to that criteria from the beginning. Everybody's ideal solution was an investor to buy the lot ASAP. Nobody wants a fans owned club unless there was no alternative. I've said it time and time again, yet the same people are making the same comments about fan ownership. It seems to me everybody can type but nobody is reading anything as written but trying to interpret something that isn't there. Nobody is trying to set up a bid for the club, for a start it would be the end of the summer for me, a logistical nightmare, and would certainly fail to get any support. The exception-a rescue facing liquidation which is looking less likely by the day thank goodness. This is the last comment I'm going to make on where we stand.

I don't know the details, some of the things happening are schizophrenic. Saints Aid originally 2nd May, now 27th May. Celebrity game original date this monday, too early say club now 17th May. Dyer thing hanging out. Yet the financial message is dire.