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It looks like the Labour party have royally ****ed themselves for the foreseeable future. Can't say I'm sorry, they've been a rabble for too long. probably a couple of parties will come out of this with predictable results. Ukip could do well in the north out of this. Having voted out once, those Labour voters from the last GE might well do the same next time.

She read out a statement at 1215, Grayling, May's COS made a statement at 1245 ish.

May has been fenced in by a strong Brexit vote which will be reflected by a powerful representation in the cabinet and the negotiations led by Brexit supporters. We can now get on with it now rather than waste another two months. It won't be Norway, Canada or even Switzerland but it will be out and immigration will be restricted.

More likely swell the ranks of the couldn't give a toss.

It's 48% of those that voted but about 35% of registered voters not half the nation. It's also probably a very small number that are whingeing. A dozen people keeping this thread going with about half a dozen remainers on every day. Most people have voted and accept the result.

This refers to cleaning out after the students departed and left an enormous amount of polling cards or postal votes never returned. Obviously registered but didn't follow through.

Only if the country falls on it's arse and the EU becomes Shangri La. I see the IMF are issuing grave warnings regarding the EU, didn't take them long.

I know it was only one university's halls of residence but it was probably repeated across the country, arranging postal votes and not bothering and polling cards not used just waiting to be thrown out, is hardly indicative of a generation deprived of it's vote. Just couldn't care less more like.

I think this year the U21s have become U23s with three matches against FL opposition initially more if progression strengthened by some over age players.

At the last two Conservative leadership contests the membership rejected the MP's choice. this time they have even more reason to do the same. Leadsome has a decent chance of becoming PM followed rapidly by activation of Article 50.

I won't be disappointed, but 17.5m will get even at the next general election. Most of the existing MPs will either be deselected or will be voted out. The Labour and Conservative parties will be decimated. I'd pretty much settle for that, then we'll come out.

There was a referendum before which you along with others on here banking on a remain result neither questioned the referendum or it's outcome. You completely misjudged two things firstly that more people would vote to leave than remain and the number eligible to vote who didn't give a stuff either way. The Labour and Conservative parties have formed governments with far fewer votes than voted to leave and nobody complained. It is pure conjecture and mostly fabrication that large numbers of leave voters have changed their minds. The referendum was a one subject question and got it's answer. We are coming out of the EU and good riddance.

Maybe I've got it wrong. I thought we had a referendum which your lot lost by 1.5m votes. You few on here that seemingly think they are the experts with those that want out misguided fools, whinge on endlessly dredging up statistics that apart from you nobody is really interested in. I voted out, Leave won, as long as the politicians carry out the will of the electorate, which they will as they don't have the courage to face the consequences, and we depart the EU, the UK will go it's own way and thrive. Any other result and the three mainstream parties are finished and we will come out anyway.

The uncontrolled immigration lost the referendum along with, Human Rights and Sovereignty, not the economy that Remain banked on, because most people have been screwed for so long they didn't care and still don't.

The majority Eurosceptic grassroots Conservative voters would get that straight away and probably vote Gove in as a response. I'm sure May's campaign are frightened that anything like that would be held against her as she has a hard enough job winning a majority of the members as it stands.

Because virtually all those that voted leave would be disenfranchised and would react on mass against the established parties that they previously supported. That would lose the established parties a massive number of voters who would place their vote in the only place possible, UKIP. The established parties know that the game is up and they can't afford to lose the votes. The remain vote will be for it's traditional parties so would be split. It won't happen as we are coming out. Once the Eurosceptic grassroots Conservatives vote, the party leader will probably be Andrea Leadsome despite Theresa May's support amongst the mainly pro EU Parliamentary party as she hasn't got that level of support outside.

If there is any attempt to wriggle out of the majority decision it will probably lead to the Left wing's worst nightmare. A UKIP majority government with the collapse of the Labour/Conservative/Liberal vote. 17.5m votes is about 4m more than Blair got in his best year landslide and 43% of the vote, no complaints then. The Conservatives are probably only too aware of this and any backsliding is going to be wishful thinking on the part of those that don't believe in democracy.

I wouldn't mind betting after project fear it will be anybody but a Remain when the grassroots vote.

May's problem may be backing remain, keeping her head down, being Home Secretary for six years as immigration went out of control, doing a U-turn over Europe in less than six months, and especially needing a euro-sceptic majority of party members to vote for her. In the end it may well be the grassroots Tories opt for a Leave supporter.

Listening to all the claims from the EU that the only difference with any deal will be take it or leave it and have no membership but all the things we voted against. My view is now that it would be a waste of time even negotiating with the EU. Activate article 50 and just leave after two years and manage the consequences. With nearly £100B annual trade deficit with the EU the UK is in a strong position. We don't trade, they don't trade. We pay tariffs, they pay tariffs. Playing hardball got them into this mess.

Enlighten me. How could you know what tariffs if any there would be in 2018 and beyond.

If we don't agree a deal with the EU we are out two years after triggering Article 50 with no strings attached but still free to trade with anybody and free to deny entry to anybody. Probably the best way to go. A complete break. If Germany want to sell to us they will and vice versa. Tariffs if necessary. The EU I believe has no trade deal with the US, India, China but it doesn't stop trade. And they don't pay the EU or have free movement. The EU sells more to us than we do to them.

It's not. A complete UK negotiation with an Australian style points system.

I wouldn't have promised a referendum in the first place even if I thought I'd never have to deliver because my mate Nick wouldn't let me. Look how that worked out. If the ramifications were as put forward by the Remain campaign why on earth would they have a referendum.

She may well have shot herself in the foot with her gobby behaviour at Wembley. If there is a Leave PM she has no chance unless she delivers Westminster seats in Scotland.