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I don't mind Public Sector workers educating our children, treating our grandparents and chasing criminals, but I don't mind Private Sector workers creating wealth, producing products and contributing large amounts of tax. But which one do I prefer most?!?!?!??!?!

Jackanory always produces the best discussions in the lounge, you should post more mate.

And you have Nazi ideologies. Oh, nothing like a stereotype is there.

It's graduate starter pay remember, in many cases postgraduate. It can't be compared to an apprentice starting out in the Navy or Army with only GCSE's. What does an officer etc straight out of training college/uni earn to begin with? Genuine question as I don't know?

Nothing at all, but there has to be people there in the first place to get them to University and into a position that makes them employable by the big companies. So the government need to make sure that they are still capable of attracting the best graduates into teaching like your girlfriend, and if they start eating away at those too much then people won't bother. One needs the other, if you will.

My girlfriend is Irish, doesn't really "get" it, but she tries her best to be interested when i'm going on about it. She says she would never come and interfere with my "lad" time, so all good.

Tell me about it, although I should hopefully miss out on that pathetic proposal by at least a year or two. As you rightly say, how will the Tories use "the city" to "create wealth" without anyone to teach them in their early life? Who on earth is going to spend three years studying the Sciences, Humanities and Maths only to come out with £50k debt, a crap starting salary and a rapidly depressing pension! Still, at least we know we are all in it for the right reasons.

Only NQT's in fairness.

So nothing. The start of the thread mentioned pay rises every year, which isn't strictly true.

And £21k a year?

You still move up the MPS ladder, but each section has been frozen. Once inflation is factored in, teachers are taking a pay cut like the majority of others.

It's what happens when everyone hates you Anyway, I don't think this is particualrly about political leaning, i'm sure there are many left wingers in the Private and vice versa.

Absolutely. If you aren't going to protect your own interests then who on earth is? The Private Sector, the sector of the weak.

I bet the 70 who lost their jobs aren't so philosophical mind you!

Life's a *****! It obviously can't be that bad though, even with the 5% reduction in your pension, otherwise you'd be doing anything possible for a position in the Public Sector. Of course it could be argued that it's Private Sector employee's with the chip on the shoulder, seeing as they enjoy inflated salaries, inflated benefits (healthcare, overtime, purchasing shares) then many of their Public Sector counterparts, yet they still begrudge them a half decent pension!

I never realised the Private Sector had such massive chips on their shoulders. If you think it's so great, why don't you go and find out for yourself? Or would you miss the BUPA healthcare too much?

It's a Tuesday night.

Pompey away criteria IMO: Over 18 Under 60 Male No replica shirts By train only

Not many. Four, maybe five at a push. We'll get 2000 odd though, some people won't fancy it just because it's Pompey and they might think it's not worth the hassle. I'm pretty sure the last two visits made General Sale anyway.

With respect, nobody would probably care if you went on strike, as it's unlikely to affect 99% of people. Binmen, Teachers, Nurses, Fireman etc can strike, and it can have an impact because of the numbers it affects. It might not be right, but it's true.

That is complete and utter nonsense. I've worked in both, for massive multi-national companies right to Councils and Schools. There is just as much waste, bull**** and time wasting in the Private Sector, if not more. It's just nobody cares because in essence, it isn't wasting taxpayers money.

Me...

West Ham v Cardiff I expect.

Looks like I might be missing Milwall home due to holiday which is a shame. Why is it when you hope for Barnsley or Coventry you normally end up with one of the better fixtures?

Brighton is 2nd January, a Bank Holiday, probbaly with a 3pm kick off, and Palace is Easter Monday, again probably 3pm! Fine they aren't Saturday's but hardly mid-week. I'll give you the other two though.