egg

He may have, but if he has compelling evidence, I'm not sure if the relevance of any grudge against us.

🤣 I'm convinced you're on a wind up now.

Mod

The penalties...I've highlighted the only one that matters, which is basically they have discretion to do whatever. 93.2.1 order a party to do or refrain from doing anything; 93.2.2 order a specific performance; 93.2.3 make a declaration on any matter to be determined; 93.2.4 issue a reprimand or warning as to the future conduct of a party 93.2.5 order the payment of compensation to The League, any Club, any other club, Player or other person 93.2.6 order a suspension of membership of The League 93.2.7 order a deduction of points; 93.2.8 impose a financial penalty payable to The League; 93.2.9 recommend expulsion from membership of The League; 93.2.10 order a withdrawal or loss of benefit otherwise available to members of The League e.g. basic award or ladder payment; 93.2.11 impose an embargo on registration of Players; 93.2.12 order any other sanction as the Disciplinary Commission may think fit; .

In the context of this charge, too much is being put on the rights or wrongs of the evidence gathering imo. The tribunal, I would imagine, will be more focused in facts, not how they came to light.

Yep. I reckon Hellberg called him a cheat and Tonda gave him a twin barrelled denial.

Apologies, I meant next weekend, final day. I'm talking about an appeal against that decision by either us or the EFL. That isn't getting dealt with by Tuesday, or the final.

I've just checked the EFL regulations. Either us or the EFL (assuming we're the only 2 parties to the case) can appeal a verdict or penalty within 14 days, although the chair can reduce that period. That appeal then needs to be held. Assuming we go down in flames on Tuesday, there's no realistic way of having an appeal fairly determined by the weekend. I'm as confident as I can be that, assuming this was an isolated incident, that we ain't getting kicked out.

What's that got to do with charge that relates to Middlesbrough? You're flapping and over thinking.

Any of them been up to Middlesbrough and willing to take one for the team? Asking for a friend.

That fringe is distinctive. Surprised it didn't flop into his coffee tbh.

No. It's not their case. The EFL could though, as could we.

Indeed, and Burnham has thrown his hat in the ring.

Gherkin

Re points deduction. Can a punishment for an offence in the EFL be transferred to the PL?

If he's done this, and it's off his own back, we'll have to hang him out to dry.

You're not getting this are you.

I heard he's going to be in the next series of Slow Horses.

Amen to that!

I addressed the point as you wrote it. Whether it meant something else to you is another matter.

Or take a flask.

Yep. The punishment is the issue, and for me, only a fine is proportionate. . I still think the whole thing is a storm in a teacup, and that Middlesbrough have been pathetic. The club are well advised though, and assuming they take a sensible path, I think we'll be ok.

The offence doesn't mention what is being observed, just a training session. It could be the warm up, or a keepy uppy competition. It does not have to be vital, and what exactly it is, and whether a bloke walking his dog could have observed it, is irrelevant.

If this has been donee by someone who's gone rogue, especially if it's part of a series, then our best mitigation is to deal with those responsible strongly. Our internal investigation needs to be done quickly, and ideally any wrongdoer dealt with before the club come before the tribunal. If any wrongdoer is self employed, that's a blessing in that we can bin them off without a dragged out disciplinary process.

That's relevant in two ways for me. It serves as evidence of how the observation took place. High tech gear, eyes, a phone, it's all the same from the perspective of observing and making our the offence. If the offence is made out, it then goes to the penalty. Rolling up with high tech gear, if that's happened, shows a level of planning that may strengthen the penalty.