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Not as expansionist as the uber expansionist Israel, does not mean not expansionist. People failing to recognise Israel and it's ambitions for what they are, whilst lecturing others, is a massive irony.

The answer, of course is that we want Ukraine to survive. In supporting them, however, the risk to their supporters increases. I think it's a risk we must take btw, but it's a risk that cannot be ignored. Regardless, this deviates from the subject of the thread, and my point lighthouse. My point that got him heated was that I see Israel as more expansionist than Russia, and a greater threat to peace. We then went down a rabbit hole.

Not just us. There are 16 teams in the championship who have been in the PL with City during the period of their cheating. City shouldn't be able to deprive any if them of a promotion spot. They should be dumped in league 2 and made to fight their way back.

Galloway's take is that NATO triggered the war using Ukraine as it's proxy. That's just nuts. Where he has a point is that NATO gear being used to kill Russian civilians increases the risk to NATO states and their civilians. I'm not sure how that's disputable.

The Aldi SM team are brilliant. They don't give a monkeys.

Should Israel be banned from international sport?

Separate the invasion from the aftermath. Russian invasion was ridiculous and sparked this. No question. Since then, drones striking its beaches, it's oil and civillian infrastructure, etc, is intended to press it's buttons. That's being done with NATO (British) drones. The reaction to that is being felt by Ukraine only, but there's a risk beyond that. Re the rest, no disrespect, but you have a very narrow and blinkered view. The NATO supply of weapons has killed civilians and damaged civilian infrastructure. Nobody should support that, or not understand the potential risk beyond the Ukrainian borders.

I wouldn't travel to and support the economy of either, in the same way as I won't travel to the US or Russia. Your belief that people's opposition to the Israeli state can only be borne of prejudice, rather than a reaction to their ideology and behaviour, is pretty disappointing but if that's your wiring, so be it. Ditto the hard thinking comment. Those with a lack of thinking accept the sales pitch and believe that the Iranians are evil and that anyone who opposes the Israeli regime and/or ideology must be prejudiced/anti Semitic.

We'll agree to differ re Israel and Iran. The US destabilised Iran, and empowered Israel, which in turn has destabilised the whole middle east. Russia, via the Ukrainian conflict, is having it's buttons pressed. I think it wants to keep it's fight to Ukraine only, but with the NATO and EU support for Ukraine (bewildering that you ignore that whilst pointing to the Iran support for Russia), I fear there's something brewing. We agree that they're a huge issue though, but I don't think its mentality is expansionist in the same way as Israel. The US, absolutely, it's lost the plot.

The issue is that Israel operate with impunity. It's athletes and footballers - who aren't the ones at fault - get to compete in the way the Russians, for example, don't. Ultimately, as per South Africa back in the day, a stand has to be taken in some quarters. Unless you're advocating for things to stay as they are, I'm struggling to see your issue with people taking a stand.

No idea mate, I know nothing about her. Please explain your point, and it's relevance to more countries disapproving of the behaviour of Israel than Iran... presumably you think it's something other than the very obvious point that their behaviour is worse.

What's destabilised the region more - Israel wanting to expand it's borders, internally and externally, aided and abetted by the US, or the opposition to that? It's not the latter. Why is the US supplying weapons to Israel to enable it smash up Gaza, parts of Lebanon, etc, not considered far more significant than Iran supplying Russia with drones? The bottom line is that Israel want domination of the middle east, and expansion, and any state capable of interfering with that have been neutered. After Israel, it'll be Turkey, and we've heard Netanyahu tee that up. You've allowed yourself to believe that Iran are the agitators. I disagree.

It'll be a start, but there must be support in principle for a 2 state solution, and within 1967 borders. That must also be supported by whoever is in charge of the Palestinian states , and the neighbours, Iran included. There's a cocktail of issues, but it doesn't start or end with the current leadership or ideology in Israel, Iran or Palestine.

There's not the equivalence that you believe there is. When Iran decimate and invade other countries, occupy other countries, etc, I'll elevate them to Israeli levels. More countries walking out on Israel than Iran at the UN is telling. They've lost the room.

Odd presumption. My issue is with the murderous Israeli regime, settlers, expansionist Zionists, and people that support or sponsor that. You strike me as bright enough to understand that Israeli people, and Jewish people generally, are not those people. If you lump them all together, that's a you issue.

Big Baz has gone up in my estimation. It's a shame it's taken so long for the penny to drop and people taking a stand. That said, only 3 Europe nations walked out on Netanyahu's hate speech the other day.

The difference is that the bloke who delivers my takeaway here can speak more English than the average ex pat can speak Spanish. That's the point. The word to describe that is "fact", not anything you were thinking.

That's a good start to the day. Thank you. You know I'm correct though. I can guarantee that when you were living in Lloret De Mar, you were a Sun newspaper, pint and full English at Gary's Cafe kind of man. Hypocrite.

Limitation usually runs from knowledge. Until the findings against City, I can't see how there was knowledge.

And they'd dominate the league, meaning less of a chance for promotion for clubs like us and other former PL clubs who were prejudiced by their cheating. Basically their "punishment" hurts us. They'd bounce straight back up anyway. That's not justice. Make them fight their way back through the leagues.

You mean like the majority of British ex pats who choose to live around other ex pats, drinking in English bars, eating a full English, and who's local language knowledge extends no further than ordering a beer and a full English. I'd hazard a guess (and it is that, granted) that more immigrants here grasp our language much better than than our economic emigrants do in their destination of choice.

I can't be any clearer when I say I'm not joining your wider discussion. I may consider it once you've linked me to your evidence that Judges (not the system, the people) are politicised, but I can't see why I would waste my time joining another discussion in which you'll you throw around your uncorroborated opinion.

Knowledge > perception.

There's no discussion if your head/echo chambers have convinced you of that. On that bombshell, I'll bow out.

Ha! Any half decent coach should be able to get a tune out of this group. Indeed, I think many would have got a better tune than Tonda has so far this season. Throw your hat in the ring. Get MLG in as your stats man, Whitey as your goalie coach, Duck on PR/comms, keep Lallana on as the stylist, put Garner back on the cones, and you've got the makings of a decent set up.