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You've yet to come up with a solution. Problem - easy to identify. Solution - easy to demand but not easy in reality.

Too lenient. I'd brand them.

Blimey, that poor girl. The sentences are ridiculously light.

I vaguely recall the discussion. I think there were reasonable assumptions that a big deal wouldn't have been left as the kind of interim deal that the union seems to view it as. Staggering that the door has been left open.

Domestically yes, but internationally the extreme interpretation of Islam is something that's out of our hands.

The truth is we can't. Internationally religion will be taught and practiced in a way that we can't control. We've tried regime change time and time again and it never goes well. Domestically we could perhaps legislate but I'm not sure any government, even Reform, would have an appetite to do that.

I'm not sure what part of I'm not engaging with you is difficult to understand.

It's not "interesting". It's a response that says I don't want a wider debate - I'm focusing on the narrow issue of what happened yesterday and the issues around that. On that, could you please answer Farmers point "I'm assuming you don't think that persecution of people's can lead to extremism then?"

I'm not sure what part of I'm not engaging with you is difficult to understand.

I can only conclude that the last deal left the door open for another discussion about a reset. Shocking business if that's the case. Big raise = slate wiped clean, then cost of living raises.

No idea. Not something I've thought about. You may want a wider debate, but I don't.

That's the abbreviated version.

I won't bite on the spouty noise, save that suggesting that anyone is trying to justify the Bondi attack is well out of order. The sad reality is that you haven't uttered one word against the behaviour of the Israeli regime, or one word of support for the Palestinians. Those that do have sympathy for the Palestinians have all expressed condemnation the Bondi attack as appalling. I don't think your moral compass is as well aligned as you believe it to be. Simple question. Do you really think what happened in Bondi has nothing to do with the treatment of Muslims by the Israeli state?

They need to hear it. They think they have public support. They had it last year, but not this time.

How would you fix it? Cave in to the greedy sods? They had their reset last year and can't reset again.

Yes, a common factor. I have not said that there would not be killings regardless - that's not been the discussion. There will still be fanatics doing mad stuff, there and would still be excessive interpretation of Sharia law, but there wouldn't be retribution type attacks if there was no reason for retribution. Anyone who suggests that there is no link between the mass killings by Islamic extremists and the mass killings of Muslims needs to give their head a wobble.

Indeed. They're not, and his point isn't in context with the discussion or the comments.

I've said that the origins is in religion, and we won't know whether the motivation is more one thing or another. Where we appear to disagree is that you feel that religion is the primary motivation of these loons, wheres I feel that's a factor but that events and persecution is probably a bigger factor.

Ask yourself which religion has been the most persecuted since the end of WW2. It's madness to point to books rather than events for motivation.

You can fish all day poppet, I won't bite.

We'll agree to differ. For me, throwing the blame at religion is akin to putting fingers in ears to not listen. The troubles had it's roots in religion, but that factor became entwined with all sorts of others. Nothing in the bible told loons from Derry to blow up hotels and shopping centres on the mainland. Sure, I appreciate that the disputes are vastly different, but the point is that extreme behaviour can come from extreme behaviour ahead of other influences.

Exactly, although more research is needed to look at potential links between all forms of neuro divergence and lifestyle choices, diet included. ADHD is being diagnosed at a rapid rate. Something is causing that, and I don't buy "awareness" as the only or even the main factor.

The assumption is the motivation. There's overlapping issues. Sure, there's the extreme interpretation of Islam. There's also lived experiences. The motivation for retribution for the latter is not all about religion, it's also based on anger and a lack of hope amongst other factors. It's simply wrong to to assume that the behaviour of Muslim lunatics must be based on religious teaching and fundamentalism, and without outside factors being a contributing or primary factor.

I understand the issues fully. This is not a single issue issue.

Nobody has explained it yet...can't do much about having a stretch of water between us and France. For me, the solution is in part in removing incentive, and then a very streamlined process for processing people who arrive. I'm talking an on paper decision within a short period, say 21 days, then a short time scale to lodge an appeal and with very tightly defined legal parameters, then a load of Tribunal judges thrown at deciding appeals within a very short timescale, then limiting appeals from there. That still takes time, and money, but the simple reality is that people are here and will arrive here. It's about what we then do.