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Quite!! He's MLG esque on this. Elections are won and lost mostly on policy, with the personalities who sell/front the policies being responsible for wooing the public.

You highlight yourself that there's a labour policy shift, to appeal to the masses, but won't have it that politics is mostly about policies. Daft as.

A reminder Hypo that the masses support policies not personalities.

I'll clarify. He's not the objective authority that you think he is. Do you think that someone who alleges bias on the part of our judiciary is objective and/or credible? He's a GB news type populist that people like you lap up because he supports your opinion.

If you listened to the first 7 mins you'll have heard his opinion of our laws. The bloke thinks he knows better than our lawmakers and has the audacity to allege judges as bias just because they don't support his view on immigration. He's not the authority on this issue that you think he is.

Pretty much my thoughts. Legal migration needs to be controlled, and based on our needs. Done well it'll solve lots of skills shortages, and address the concerns of the sensible public. Net migration of circa 3/4 of a million is completely unsustainable. That's more than the population of Southampton, Portsmouth, and Eastleigh combined added to our population every single year. Frightening, and our infrastructure and public purse cannot deal with that. Illegal entry makes up only a small % of that though, and is much more difficult to police than legal entrants.

Nah, needs to be outside space. Hope the recovery is going well, and that the class A's are taking the edge off the pain.

Unusually, we agree. Ultimately we will see asylum granted to many entrants so the numbers won't drop off hugely imo, but we seem to be very attractive for whatever reason.

I got bored with him after 7 minutes as he talks nonsense. Suggesting pro immigration bias by UK Judges is ridiculous. Those Judges enforce the law. His issue, plainly, is the law which he describes as archaic and wants to be 'smashed up'. He's a bloke with a view on immigration who blames laws which don't support his outlook.

Thanks for the answer. Personally, I think that as a nation we're better than housing people in tents. Somewhere between that and homes/hotels feels to be the right kind of balance for me - some sort of dormitory type system with proper amenities.

Where do you suggest they stay? We can't magic accommodation out of thin air. Do we leave them feral? Please give a practical solution rather than just the headline of 'lets make it less desirable'. That's just noise. I don't want so many illegals/faux asylum seekers either, but people have to be realistic about the impossibility of stopping it, and the need to put roofs over the heads of people/clothes on the back of people when they're here.

The clue is in the title of the thread. The party that says this about the NHS: "Maximising the health of the nation requires a fundamental shift away from seeing health as an NHS problem to solve".

Back to my earlier questions...are you saying that when they attend A&E with a popped appendix that they're turned away? I don't want that to be our society. We're better than that. Are you saying that they live feral? If they don't get money for food or clothes, are you resigned to them stealing it? No disrespect, but I'm not sure that your approach plays the tape forward.

What happens when an immigrant collapses in the street? Does an ambulance roll up, establish that they're an immigrant, then feck off? Do they turn up at A&E with a popped appendix, and then get sent to the car park to die? Crazy idea. It's ideas like yours, and Rwanda, which highlight that it's easy to object, but all but impossible to police. Traffickers prey on the vulnerable/desperate/greedy and persuade them that Britain is the land of milk and honey. When they get here, in reality, we can't do much when someone seeks asylum. You say 'send them back' when they've done wrong. Where, and how we can actually enforce that? I get irritated by mass illegal immigration, but almost as irritated when people shout for ridiculous solutions.

Sounds like moody people traffickers and politicians are similar - over promise, under deliver, over charge, under deliver.

It's easy for people to say that they're against illegal immigration, and mock the 'smash the gangs' pledge, but the fact that that the Tories could come up with nothing better than Rwanda highlights the difficulty in doing anything about it. If people rock up in little boats in our waters claiming persecution and seeking asylum, in reality, what do you expect any government to do?

You're a repeat offender mate. Poor form.

Yep. Whatever people's thoughts on the deal, it's done, and gives certainty to businesses and markets.

1/4 and counting.

Ok mate, if that's your belief.

Probably, and it's an interesting choice that's for sure.

I'm ok for half of that. It's the fat ones in lycra that get me - they look like a condom full of marbles.

You've got lovely tits mate.

You'll be back on a bike soon enough mate - I was encouraged to get on a bike a month post op. Obviously I declined 🤣

What wonderful care you've had, and thank God you got the surgery in the end. I had a discectomy, fusion and bone graft earlier this year and am thankfully through the other side. My only advice is to do nothing more or less than advised, walk as much as you're encouraged to, and see the recuperation period as an opportunity to recharge your batteries. Good luck mate, you'll be fixed up in no time.