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There's no conversation to be had when people take your approach, and just shout headline solutions without any thought about the reality. We won't stop people wanting a better life here. We won't stop France all but helping them in their way. We won't stop traffickers milking it. We can't close down a stretch of water. Those are the realities we face. What we can do is as Hypo says. We can then accommodate people meeting needs only. We can then have a streamlined processing system, with limited appeals and tougher outcomes, and prompt enforcement. Basically we can make ourselves less attractive a proposition, and deal with things quicker. What we can't do, realistically, is stop the boats coming, that's just populism.

That's another way of saying, I know there's no easy solution, but there should be, and adds absolutely nothing to sensible discussion.

Yep, although most people just moan about the problem and make no suggestions. They don't even say where (last country or origin) when they say send them back, let alone think about the reality of any country accepting them.

At last a sensible contribution. Where are people held though after arrival? Detention centre with basic needs met? I'd have no issue with that.

I'm not sure who on here doesn't after there's a problem. The issue is you think there's an easy solution, which there isn't.

Let's break that down. Traffickers. So put plod on the ground in foreign countries? Unrealistic. Tough on France. How? Realistically.. Deterrents. Example? Detention centre. In principle, yep, but everyone will moan about where they go, and the cost. Send them back. Where they came from last or first? How do we make, France for example, take them? Vetting people. They'll say what the script is, but that doesn't stop the arrival anyway. Sending elsewhere. Rwanda mark 2. Who'll have them? "Cretins". Grow up. Everyone knows theres a problem, and a person highlighting that there's no easy / enforceable solution makes them realistic, not a cretin.

Relevant points addressed...the main point is that you can't identify a solution either.

The Pompey boat, explain what should have been done with it/it's passengers. We all know the problem. What's the solution? Realistically - not a Nigel "send the boats back" unrealistic one.

Indeed. I don't know that it is, although it doesn't alter that there's no easy solution. The French all but escorted that Pompey boat into our waters. What were then supposed to do with it? In practical terms, what could and would a Nigel run country have done? What do the protesters expect?

That's superb mate. Brilliant band, and superb live. Enjoy. If you're a vinyl man, collect their stuff, just goes up in value.

Agreed. I'm surprised Leicester gave him a chance tbh, but that must be his last hurrah. He's probably going to retire minted at 40.

Great shout. Amazing film.

That's a cracking cover. Hadn't heard that before. Cheers

Yep. The problem with Edwards is that he wasn't suited to being a CB or RB. Seems to be doing well in midfield for QPR though.

Not cool, but topical. A rapper who can sing.

Yep. It's clear from Emery's comments that THB didn't know until after he'd signed. He's lost his opportunity to play massive games, show himself against the best, improve, etc. Money isn't making up for that. Look at players like Ramsdale. Sure, he'll be minted, but he won't feel fulfilled or that he's making any kind of contribution in his work. People who think money alone makes people happy, don't understand people.

People always trot this out and I don't buy it. Football is a short career, and footballers want to play. Nobody is convincing me that THB and those close to him will be happy about this.

The forum and facts are different issues mate. My understanding though is that his post was accurate. His source is immaterial.

Time to stock up on tins of food and dried pasta boys and girls. We're going to all be cut off from civilization for weeks. Or something. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp931m8n3p5o#comments

Why does it matter where it's from if it's correct?

They've all kicked it down the road until Trump gave them a rocket. There's not one party to blame for this. There's been years of complacency and underfunding.

I think his point is that the damage was done well before they damaged it more. Valid to be fair.

Yep. 4 keepers in the squad and only 3 CB's. Gotta feel for the lad - you'd imagine CL football was a big factor in the move.

Yep...only 3 CB's picked, plus a couple who can do a job there. Don't get that at all.

I assumed the 20 year old, with the younger bloke the father, and the elder 2 grandparents. Could be wrong though. Christ knows who the 15 year old is. Absolutely appalling crime. Just horrible what happened to that poor baby.