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Transpose the words "the Israeli's" for "their" and you get his true intentions. You know perfectly well what he meant.

Very good 😂

It is possible, and fair, to highlight that the club was a shambles and that certain players weren't good enough.

Yep. The criticism he got last season was justified, as is the praise he's getting this season. I just think the PL was too much for him.

I'd pitch our homegrown Andy Cook from yesteryear as left back. The ladies loved him back in the day.

I'm not defending SoG. I've said that's it's pretty pathetic that people have made this thread about him. Different thing.

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Scandalous that people were given the ability to make massive profits out of essential utilities at a huge cost to the punter.

Martin wouldn't necessarily know. Why would Wilcox tell anyone about talks he may be having? He'll want to keep his powder dry at saints, and only say he's going if he is. Nothing unusual about that, and the golden rule in this sort of situation is never reveal your plans until they're concrete. He may go, he may not, but in Willcox's shows I'd say nowt to nobody until I have a firm offer and have made a decision to take it.

We keep having these kind of comments. In the football world, all clubs make informal approaches to people they want, whether players, managers, execs. If there's interest, then the formal approach gets made. The suggestion that it only happens to us, and that we don't do it, is plain wrong...Martin and his guys being a case in point.

Ha! Here you go.

Not sure what the whining is about. We need to size against these;l, Manning has been shit, and Bree is out. Switching KWP to the left and bringing Stephens on makes sense, and the rest of the team is decent and balanced.

The issue is that you and others play the poster not the post. Your reaction yesterday to a sensible post from SoG was plain stupid, and unnecessary.

Khalid

Where on this thread has there been downplaying of Hamas atrocities? What I've seen is a tacit suggestion that it's not possible to condone their conduct whilst condoning Israeli conduct which is a bizarre notion. I started this thread because the Israeli/IDF behaviour over years is something that has concerned me and was getting worse. The religious angle was/is not something I consider or contemplate, and I think that's true of many. I simply saw the Palestinian people getting royally fucked over in the west bank and essentially being locked into Gaza. Since then I've seen what I think is an unjustified response from Israel to what Hamas did. No religion. No prejudice. I don't understand why it's the case that those who disagree with my view cite religion/anti semitism. It's a lazy slur, and we see a lot of that. I can only deduce that's it's a reflection of the views of the people who do that.

Intellectual no, balanced yes, but not hateful as per Alex's response.

Estuary

It was an odd response if he did. It was one of SoG's more balanced posts I thought.

What did he say that you disagree with?

It also needs to be said that Israel ain't exactly keen on a Palestinian state either. Their past and ongoing activities in the west bank are testament to that, and are somewhat amplified by their promises to turn Gaza to dust and the rejection of a 2 state solution. The suggestion that it's just Hamas who need to adjust their position is wrong.

I'm not sure that anyone was so naive as to think there'd be no large reaction. Where I think there was naivety (we've seen it in this thread) was the belief that this is/was about destroying Hamas rather than Gaza. Israel know that as an entity and ideology this episode won't remove Hamas, and their capabilities are more suspended than neutered.

They've annihilated Gaza, not Hamas. Hamas will still exist whenever Israel decide/are told to stop. Did you think they'd cause this much destruction to Gaza? I'm not sure that the international community did.

Massive, yep, but I'm not sure sure that anyone seriously expected a response on the scale that we've seen/are seeing. They've pretty much destroyed the place. Even Biden has described it as over the top.

That article I just linked suggested a verbal attack on an Israeli guy, but also suggests anti semitism. I've read a few more articles on it and it seems his issue was with an Israeli because of Israel actions, but the general reporting is that was that he was anti semitic. Is telling an Israeli bloke to fuck off anti semitic? Whether you're anti semitic I don't know or care, but you've thrown enough wrong labels at others, so don't be whining when you get a taste of your own mate.

Bit more detail here. Not entirely clear what happened after he pulled the flag and told matey to fuck iff. I'd guess that he flew the flag, got some comment, lost his shit. Regardless, he's an idiot for pulling a flag at a comedy show. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/13/soho-theatre-ban-comedian-paul-crurrie-israel-palestine/#:~:text=Soho Theatre is consulting with police following the incident on,“Palestine will be free”.