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Sure, but that's not the reality. He should have, and still should, but all he's had is clandestine chats with the Russians where Christ knows what has been said.

So in a long winded way, the partial answer to my question, is that they'll continue to lose land. On that we agree. That still doesn't address how it actually ends though. I think we agree it's defeat it's defeat or capitulation. You could have just said that.

Suit

A long war is not the end. That's the big bit before the end. Do you think Ukraine will, realistically be more likely to regain land or lose more? How does things look when/if the US withdraw their direct support, and/or the "back office" support for surveillance or other Western kit? They're the realities you seem reluctant to address.

That's not the reality though. Trump won't allow his deadline to pass, then throw more money and hardware Ukraine's way. The horrible reality doesn't go away by saying what Trump should do. The west were collectively a disgrace post Crimea, and Trump has taken it to new levels.

It's a bloody awful deal, and a disgraceful carry on. I'm not sure anyone disputes that.

What a surprise, no answer. I don't misunderstand the situation. You do, and have throughout. Ukraine has been dealt the shittiest hand here, but the reality being unpleasant doesn't make it cease to be the reality. They can't win his war, even with ongoing US support. What's the answer to my question?

As things stand, how do you realistically see this ending if there's no deal? Assuming US support continues, Ukraine still won't win. If it doesn't, Ukraine are properly screwed. Like it or not, they've lost land that they can't regain, and will lose more the longer this goes on.

As much as that's the reality, the way this has been handled from the off by Trump is a disgrace. It was always going to end with a deal and land being ceded, but there's a way to do things and this is not the way.

Yep, and you'd hope so, but you never know in 2025.

That's a mixed bag. You miss the fact that Barnes got so much praise and adulation in an era when black people often didn't. Sure, there were neanderthals then, but that doesn't alter that he was incredibly popular, not least after that goal. I don't see you Beckham/Saka point. Both made mistakes and got grief. Yes, neanderthals came into the Saka grief, but fundamentally both got grief for similar reasons, not because of colour. Southgate and Pearce got slaughtered in their day, and they ain't black. Your last paragraph is just daft. The insinuation that Bazunu gets grief because of his colour is insulting and a very poor point.

John Barnes to an extent. Denise Lewis. Kelly Holmes. Successful black sports people that aren't as popular as they would like to be have personalities that can grate - ie Anthony Joshua, Lewis Hamilton, Bellingham. Colour isn't the problem, they are.

Yep. I've usually got a lot of time for Ian Wright, but there's nothing to suggest that Bellingham gets grief because he's black. He gets grief because he can come across as a bit of a billy big bollox.

Blimey, hadn't seen this. Very sad indeed. Amazingly talented, and so sad for the kids and all who loved him.

We don't know that. Sure, he's young, but he may have the necessary tools in his locker.

I'm not taking anything personally. I'm just stating that I thought your post utterly stupid. That's because it was. As was the follow up. I have no issue with you. I don't know you. I rarely take issue with you. Often the opposite. I play the post not the poster. Try it.

Yep. Hardly the high point of a dubious posting career.

The point is that your comment was crass and fucking stupid. This follow up from you is at least equally bad.

Odd post. Tice isn't Farage.

I don't particularly like a lot of the content on this thread, but I wouldn't label it homophobic. At the end of the day, it's a forum, and we all find some posts/ content/threads/posters/etc disagreeable, that's the nature of the beast. It's not difficult to avoid the thread if you want to.

Faulty (I know!)

Loved her "Farage can sod off" comment when asked how she thought he'd react.

Hardly a surprise from the bloke who suggested that Oakeshott banged Farage, and writes for the Guardian.

There's enough support amongst labour to this through, although I suspect the Tories will back it. The devil will be in the detail though re amendments to article 3 and 8, and the modern slavery act. They need to make the statute sufficiently tight to avoid too much judicial leeway - Judges only interpret that.

I'm guessing some sort of observation towards his pro license. He could do a lot worse than spending more time watching how De Zerbi works.