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Spot on. Re the highlighted but, that's exactly what it is. All this "patriotism", "proud to be English" is a very poor attempt to mask the reality. I'm staggered that anyone who comes out with that nonsense expects anyone to believe it.

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From someone who tiresomely pushes his points, it's poor form that you question my pushing my point. Regardless, I'm not sure that the likes of Duck see the ban as justified on any level, and some see the banning of an islamophobic mob as an anti-Semitic act which it isn't. The reel highlights the nonsensical opposition to the ban.

So meeting division with divisive behaviour. A reform government will just amplify the division. We're not on a smooth and pleasant road.

Spot on.

Indeed. Loves her country so much she doesn't live in it. An unpatriotic nationalist if you like. And here's an alternative opinion on the Israeli football hooligans. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DP6zZ1Djlmh/?igsh=bDIxaWhuZzlxcjhq

And all aid now suspended. More collective punishment.

Why does an English person who's never previously flown our flag now feel the need to do so? He's no less English than he was last year. And nationalism is not patriotism.

51 Palestinians killed since the ceasefire began.

You've got to love an opinion piece, based on a loss of national identity, from someone who who's buggered off to live in Dubai.

More or less united.... For me, we've become more divided over time, and increasingly so since the flags.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/authors/i/ip-it/isabel-oakeshott/ A delightfully neutral article on the subject by Richard Tice's missus. As usual with paywall articles, just hit airplane mode as the page is loading and you're in.

Does this nation feel more or less united than it has previously? The flags are about nationalism, not patriotism. Nobody is flying them to promote unity!

Why do English people now feel the need to fly the English flag? I don't feel any less English now than I have all my life, so don't all of a sudden feel the need to fly the flag. I expect if I would if I wanted to be divisive though.

Are you suggesting that the decision was anti-Semitic in itself, or that the decision was made to protect the Haifa fans from potential anti-Semitism? I haven't said that the decision was "solely due to disorder from the away club". You've made that up.

Because anti semitism is a thing.

I'm still recognising that there's a distinction between Jews and Israeli football hooligans. I've said what I think the real reason is - Haifa fans are scum, they pose a danger, and they're at risk. I don't think the latter is because they're Jewish.

I'd hazard a guess that a Jew could walk down the streets near Villa park and be absolutely fine. A group of aggressive Israeli football fans, chanting about raping Arab's and dead Arab children, probably won't be welcomed in by anyone for a cuppa though . It's not to understand the distinction here. If you choose to.

Yep. And what we know about his communications with Putin and Zelensky have done more harm than good.

That's a terrible comparison. It'd had some relevance if Pakistan had steamed into Indian Kashmir and killed 50k innocent people, pretty much destroyed the place, and starved the remaining people. Until then, it's just a daft point.

So you're making a generalised assumption about some people who's views you don't actually know. Of course though, some people mask their true feelings. There's plenty of that on display on this forum - that's not a slight at you btw. Back to the actual point. The Haifa fans have shown themselves to be abhorrent. I think they pose a threat, and I also think they'd be under threat. Different views are inevitable.

Dunno, can't speak for them, but I'm not sure what it's got to do with SoG. The stuff they've been filmed chanting and singing is an utter disgrace, and I can't imagine they'll have a red carpet rolled out for them anywhere.

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The source doesn't alter that the content is factually accurate. If the Saints match day programme said that the Haifa fans were scum, with details, some fans wouldn't have it.