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Indeed. And don't forget SoG, Israeli people can now be referred to as Jewish people if you want to support Israeli people, but in any other situation, you must distinguish.

Any chance of the game of guess who being taken elsewhere please? I couldn't give a flying fuck who this Nic lad is.

That's a decent shout. I can't easily decide on a permutation that I think works with what we've got. I'm mostly at 433, with Aribo one of the 3 in the middle carrying the ball and breaking, and Fellows and AA or Scienza either side of Archer up top. That way we have the option of width either side, or the players cutting in and playing close to Archer. That boils to me preferring another man in midfield getting on the ball and using it, rather than having Azaz waiting for it, and the wide lads being a bit narrower and getting involved more. I wouldn't go with your back 4 personally, but you could roll a dice and there'd be issues with whatever 4 you came up with.

That's bollox. SoG refers to Israeli people as Jews - you say he's out of order. Badenoch refers to Israeli people as Jews - bang on apparently. That's a huge inconsistency, and a position used by people like you and Badenoch to support your position, and to oppose someone else's. What you've done here is essentially label all anti Israeli government people as anti semitic. That's bang out of order, and absolute nonsense. I dislike the murderous behaviour of the Israeli government. I dislike the various Israeli's I've seen footage of who champion the killing of Palestinian children. I dislike settlers who steal homes and land in the West Bank. That doesn't make me anti semitic. It says more about you than me if you cannot see that people can take issue with the behaviour of the government who lead a group of people, and the behaviour of some of the people in that group of people, but not hold prejudice against that group of people or the religion that underpins it.

I don't disagree that there's goals in our squad, but our only fit centre forward is Downs. AA and Archer are decent attacking players, but neither are centre forwards as such. Fellows and Scienza games are based on balls into the box. Without a CF Still needs to be creative - I recall a couple of games under Nicholl when he didn't have a fit CF so played 3 wingers up front and seemed to leave them to do what they wanted. But yep, the manager has got to work better with what he's got and make it work. Archer, AA, and the wingers, set up and coached properly, will be a threat.

What irritates is that people jump down people's throats when they conflate Jewish with Israeli, but choose to do it when it suits them. Pick a lane.

You've been listening to Badenoch. It's because of their history, and because they're Israeli.

Most clubs in this league would play THB, Edwards and arguably Stephens. Wood is also very well proven at this level. It's down to the manager how he coaches and sets them up. Charles would walk into any team in this league. A properly used and motivated Downes, ditto. The new lad looks decent. See comments above. GK. Hmm, but McCarthy is doing well enough. CF. Yep, we're properly shite there.

Yep. You could just cut the words "Jewish and Israeli" and it'd address the primary issue of the police not being up to the job of policing.

I think everyone has given him credit for his part in the agreement. Some people more than others, but he's received all but universal acknowledgement. I stand by the view that he has blood on his hands though for not reigning Israel in sooner, and for supplying them with so many appalling weapons. It also doesn't buy him exemption from the criticism for things that he says and does that merit criticism - life doesn't work that way, and you stamping your feet because people don't adore him is a touch soppy.

Who? I've had a go at him from the minute he first became President. I still think he's a complete idiot. Gaza hasn't changed that.

Israel haven't been able to distinguish between Hamas and Palestinian on a grand scale.

"CNN reports that all 45 Palestinian bodies returned by Israel were delivered to Nasser Hospital with hands and legs bound in shackled. They came tagged with numbers — not identities. Some were blindfolded, some bore gunshot wounds, mutilated and others appeared to have been run over by tanks". If this was the other way round, there'd be uproar.

The bit about "Bibi" calling him asking for weapons, and being given whatever he wanted, including weapons that they didn't even have but they made them for him, was bizarre. I'm not sure how that sits alongside the notion that Trump is the president of peace.

A Nobel peace prize nomination for being an unpredictable loon would probably be a first. But yep, knowing that even he doesn't know what he's going to do next carries clout.

There are some reports today that Hamas offered to return them previously (albeit on an exchange for Palestinian detainees basis) but were knocked back. That all said, yep, they should never have been taken. Fortunately the last 20 are now out, and can hopefully rebuild their lives.

Everyone has acknowledged that he deserves credit. Others note that it's not him who has made concessions on behalf of his people, or got his hands dirty in the negotiations. In a mediation, the people who deserve the most credit are the protagonists and the mediators, not the bloke who tells them that they need to sort it out or things will get worse.

He was on a programme on (I think) channel 4 where celebs were engaging with youngsters with neuro divergence and learning issues. He was kind, open, genuine and warm. Seems a very decent bloke, but he still doesn't convince me as a hard man.

None of that's possible today. Right now it's Hamas in charge, so Hamas appointed people doing the policing. I'm not sure why you were/are surprised that's what's happening. Medium and longer term is a different issue and has yet to be worked out.

That's nonsense. It's entirely credible, and frankly normal, to highlight the excessiveness of the Israeli actions, and to have the opinion that long term it exposes Israel, Israeli's, Israel's supporters, and alas Jews everywhere, to more risk. The issue with discussing with you is your focus exclusively on what you want it to be. That's 7/10 and preventing a recurrence. Your q's and comments don't go much beyond that, whereas the wider issue does.

That's not possible right now, today. If not Hamas today, who?

Ha!! I want to hear Hypo's answer as he doesn't think it can be Hamas.

I like films that are so crap they're actually good, of that makes sense. I can't take Danny Dyer seriously as a hard man though. He's just a scrawny bloke with an exaggerated accent, and walks like he's lugging rolls of carpet under his arms.

I don't know, but the question isn't just about making Israel safer. It's about a solution to the wider issue. Despite the sense of Whelks post, I remain of the view that Israel, it's people, it's supporters, and sadly Jewish people everywhere, are now more exposed. Choking Iran doesn't reduce the capability of crackpots doing what we saw on 9/11, Manchester recently, on the streets in Israel, etc. Part of the solution is 2 states. Both autonomous. Removal of oppression removes the need for resistance. People can't keep banging on about Palestinians not wanting Israel as a reason for Palestinians not having a state. Neither of them want the other, and indoctrinate their kids accordingly. The reality is that Israel is here to stay but that's no reason not to have a Palestine. Who governs it is also a factor to address, and we all agree it can't be Hamas. Israel can also establish an exclusion zone inside Israel, and properly police it to keep their people safe. Back to unanswered questions. What was your answer to who should "police" Gaza now if it's not to be Hamas?

Probably, yes. Back to the issue, does anyone genuinely believe that Israeli behaviour over the past 2 years has made them, its people, and supporters safer? I don't just mean right now, and against large scale terror attacks.