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Haven't I? Have you? He's not the next Harry Kane. He's nearly 23. He's (based on having seen play, and how he's done elsewhere) not a premier league player. If he gets a chance for us I'll wish him well and hope he proves me wrong.

He would be if we had CB's with pace either side. Yoshida could play one side but the left side looks weak. Those 2 in a 4 would be my pick with Romeu sitting just in front.

Not for me! One centre forward with knackered knees and recurring injuries is more than enough.

He wasn't deemed worthy of a place up front at Birmingham, and was then dropped. If we'd signed him from Birmingham against that background we'd all be right in thinking that the club had gone nuts. Now we're nuts if we don't see if he can do at prem level what he couldn't do in a lower league. Nuts. We've got a long season ahead and only room for 25 player. There's no room for sentiment imo.

What's with all this 'its only pre season' so it doesn't matter ******? Of course it does. It highlighted that 2 of our recent CB signings are slow, that one of them is awful on the ball, that Targett and Stephens don't offer quite enough, that Lemina still isn't interested, that there's a fair chance that we'll players in all sorts of odd positions, that we've got nothing up front, etc. It's hard to take any really positived from that performance, and to me more positives than negatives is a concern.

How does 'giving him s go' suddenly make him good enough? I know someone on here did some statistical comparisons between him and Kane, but comparisons between him and our own Ryan Seager are more realistic.

I got slaughtered for suggesting that Vestergaard plus Hoedt would be a car crash in a back 3. Our players aren't suited to our system and are being shoe horned in. We need to shift to 433 or 4231.

Is that an actual question or are you just being an idiot? It's based on his ability as a player. Whether Reed has preferred him in a couple of friendlies doesn't detract from Valery talent.

Ditto Danny Wallace, but both have feck all to do with Rodwell being a bright young talent who's still only 27.

Debut for a premier league team at 16, England debut at 20, signed for city at 21 for £15m. Absolutely no talent at all. Nope. Not a bit.

Valery is a hell of a talent. He deserves his chance and alongside Stephens gives good back up. We've then got various players who can "do a job" ie Yoshida, JWP, Hoj, Reed.

I feel for the lad. He chased the dream at city but it didn't work out. Sunderland were relegated and he had hobsons choice (aka Forster's choice) - stay, take the cash and don't play or leave and lose money. He's a talented player who could be a real asset to a club.

Pretty much a younger Austin. Pre injury I'd drive and pick him up. Not now.

That would need a club willing to buy him. Reality is it loans until he's out of contract or we pay his contract up and he finds another club.

What is all this "VVD money"boll0cks?! Business does not operate like that. We are a football business with all sorts of outgoings, debt and income. The club don't put jam jars on the shelf with sale money and keep it til we need another player. It goes in the global coffers and gets spent in all sorts of ways. The naivety is breathtaking, and that's before minor details like tax, agents, signing on fees, etc etc.

I'm not sure that's the thinking, it certainly isn't mine. Walker for England showed the benefits of playing a mobile full back on the side of a back 3. We have Hoedt and now Vestergaard, neither of them quick. We need pace and mobility either side of one of those and Bertrand is the natural choice on the left imo. Whether Targett is good enough at left wing back is another question though.

This. The fact is he didn't go so wtf people think is gonna be achieved by banging on about it after the tournament is over I don't know. I'm only interested in whether he stays with us this season, and if so, whether he actually looks like he gives a sh:t when he plays.

Internet...I could be wrong but from what I've read and seen he looks slow on the turn. Hoedt looked similar before he signed, and is indeed slow on the turn. With more teams playing inside forwards, the centre backs on the sides of a back 3 need pace - being 6 ft 5 and slow on the turn ain't any use when you have a Sanchez, Alli, Erikson, Sterling etc turning and running at you. Personally I'd prefer 1 sluggish lump at most.

Vestergaard and Hoedt in a back 3 would be dreadful...2 players slow on the turn. Personally I'd prefer Bertrand on the left of a back 3, Yoshida on the right and one of those 2 in the middle. Rest of the team depends on the formation but assuming LeG is right and we play 3421, Armstrong seems like an odd signing.

Agree with you and souness. I was laughed at in the pub for suggesting that we bring on Delph at half time for lingard or alli and try to get a grip on midfield and modric. The game was last with naive tactics.

I know a little about his personal life - there is no issue there. I think he's been badly coached and his confidence is shot. He's on a contract worth £21m over 4 years though so moving him on will be difficult, and any transfer fee will go straight towards paying up that contract. As an aside, whoever gave him him that contract should walk. That, and the Carillo deal, were absolutely shocking pieces of business and with agents fees and wages represent nearly £50m down the pan.

Gunn obviously hasn't come to sit on the bench for 7 years. I was talking about succession beyond McCarthy when he moves on, not retiring.

I think it's more that we're planning for succession, and that the club think that Lewis or Rose are decent and have a future. McCarthy inevitably will move on at some point, Gunn will then be top boy with one of the others challenging is my guess.

Until that injury the club has high hopes for him. Never gonna be the player he could have been sadly.

Beautiful pass. In fact that was a really good passage of play. Tidy finish too.