Lord Duckhunter

The guys done it before, in Jan they told my Mrs to prepare for the worst and a few days later he was back in the care home. This times different, he seems to have given up. Stoped eating and drinking a few days ago and they’re feeding him via tube. He was on his way anyway and was already admitted for something else before developing symptoms. He’s lost his wife of 67 years & the Mrs sister the past 3 years and the last month he’s been talking about “joining them”. As horrible as it sounds we’re all hoping it’s quick now. Unfortunately, there’s going to be people a lot younger than 93 passing away, and a lot of families going through what we are. For all our differences on here, I just hope everyone & their loved ones come out the other side. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Thank you, & to everyone else who has sent sympathy. She went in to say goodbye to him early this morning, as they’re pretty convinced this is it. She was all PPE’d up and held his hand for 10 mins. He’s vey confused but squeezed her hand occasionally which gave her comfort that he knew she was there. The guy is 93 & had a decent innings, but this is a horrible way to go. She’s in bits at the moment, but is adamant she’s going to work tonight. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Just heard my Father in law has tested positive. Mrs is working tonight & doctors have just told her. No way he’ll be able to fight it off, very sad a lonely end for the guy. He was admitted to hospital with something else & they’re hoping he caught it there rather than the care home he lives in. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

It will be interesting to see many of those shouting “look at Germany” will be willing to move The NHS nearer to their model and away from our 1940’s throwback. Chances are they will still scream USA again.

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I work for a large European company & about 80% of staff are furloughed. It was delayed at first (they made everyone take a weeks holiday) because the company were worried that some may insist on redundancy instead. They said they’d be looking into contracts & checking legal position. A week later they furloughed 80% of staff, there was absolutely no consultation (but they are topping up wages to 100%). Whether they’re just taking their chances or whether they are on solid ground, I don’t know. As I’m still working I didn’t receive the letter those staff did, but that letter confirmed a change of contract so that may be how they did it. There was no consultation whatsoever. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Dear god, some people are really showing what twts they really are. A bloke who sings down our local did a Facebook live show from his garden last night. Many of the locals watched from home with a beer/ wine & there was some banter on the comments. Went on for about 45 minutes, and maybe a bit sad, but it was an ok way to pass early evening. Today, somebody has reported him to Facebook and he’s been warned regarding copyright breaches. They told him someone reported him and he needs to cease doing it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

But is it proportionate NICE make decisions year after year on whether drugs are affordable. The upshot is that some drugs are considered too expensive and as a result of that decision, people die. Put basically, there’s an equation made between cost & life. Nobody seems to be asking whether trashing the economy & the pain, misery & hardship is worth it to save X number of deaths. Thousands die on our roads every year, if we banned cars, people would be alive that would otherwise be dead. However, the economic & cultural cost of banning cars makes doing that disproportionate. Nobody is asking important questions of the Government. How many deaths do they think a total lockdown is saving compared to a partial one (old and vulnerable only), and what is the economic cost of one, against the other. How many people do they think will die, that wouldn’t do in a normal flu year. There’s also questions around whether the advice needs to be country wide. If there’s hardly any cases in a county, Cornwall maybe, should the total lockdown be the same as in London. They’re also not particularly clear whether the lockdown is purely to keep the death rate within NHS tolerance or whether the lockdown means less of us will catch it. I’m not saying their approach is wrong, it might well be right. But far too many people are just accepting their narrative . Journalists & opposition that should be holding them to account are just reducing themselves to Gotcha moments around PPE, tests etc, instead of asking fundamental questions of the policy. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

My point wasn’t about deteriorating health, it was about older people who haven’t previously exercised starting to do so recently, and then being stopped from doing so. There’s also the issue of consent. Pretty much everyone, save a few numpties, have stuck to the advice. Whether they’ll continue to do so if there’s a total lockdown is open to debate. The Government allow the sale of cigarettes, which we know kill people & stretch NHS resources, but aren’t going to let my 77 year old mum go for a daily walk in case she catches Covid. It’s just not sustainable. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Are you being deliberately obtuse? A fitter healthier population, will ease the strain on the NHS long term. Around here, there is definitely an increase in people walking, running and cycling, particularly in the older age range. If this becomes a habit & people enjoy it so much they continue after the lockdown, is that not a good thing? If only 25% of 50-70’s lose weight & continue to exercise post lockdown, that’ll save a lot of money in the future. Nobody knows, but I’d hazard a guess it’ll be more than locking everyone in their homes will save. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

They’re in danger of making the cure worse than the disease. One of the only positives of this whole thing has been more & more people cycling, running & walking. It’s been particularly heartening seeing old people walking around my local park, there’s normally a few with dogs, but there’s loads of newbies recently. If people are staying fitter & healthier, that must be a good thing. In crude terms will the number of people dying due to a few people not following the advise, be higher than people who won’t die of heart attacks etc in future (because they’re fitter). There’s also the consent angle. People have by and large, accepted the restrictions, I’m not so sure they would if it became more draconian. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Good luck with that.... You’ve got absolutely zero chance of this making a blind bit of difference to attendances. 3 weeks after the restart it’ll all be forgotten. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Careful, you’re not allowed to stick up for the players on here, the pitchforks will be out. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Sir Keir Starmer, he’s going to go down a storm in labour’s northern heartlands of Camden & Islington. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I think they’re still following this herd immunity thing, but without trying to frighten the horses by admitting it. In the absence of a vaccine or keeping people in lockdown permanently , how else can we defeat it. I presume their endgame is a large population immune without the NHS falling over. Sir Max Hastings reckons it’ll end up with the old & underlying health condition people staying in lockdown and the rest of us avoiding them & taking our chances. The ones with a high chance of dying from it, shielded and the rest of society carrying on. As a country, I’m not sure we’ve got the stomach for that. I thought the immune certificate as a good idea, but the more I think about it, the worse it seems. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I can’t see what the alternative is. It won’t be Boris Johnson announcing a sudden end to the lockdown and it’s all back to normal. As you say, once there’s some sort of certification to say you’re back to normal you’ve got a golden ticket. Not just holidays or going to pubs, livelihoods will depend on it. Decorators & builders etc with the all clear certifications will be in demand, winning contracts over others stuck at home . The job market will be skewed in favour of certificate holders. Small independent shops where the owner has a certificate will open, whereas others can’t. The incentive for people to catch it would grow & grow. What happens to the people working at the moment who have never had it, will they be sent home. Both me & the snap dragon have continued to work, are we going to be told “thanks for working when most weren’t , but you’re not certified clear so home you go.” That’ll go down like a lead balloon if it’s just as the pubs are re opening. I honestly don’t think the Government have thought it through and I certainly have no faith in them coming up with a sensible solution. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

What’s the alternative? Nothing will be back to normal until enough people are immune or a vaccine becomes available. If I was a betting man, I’d back the first of those options. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Nor have the players. My post was sticking up for players, not the clubs........pal. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I would be livid as well. To single out football Is a cheap easy point. Nobody is hassling Paul McCartney or Elton John. Where are the calls for Steve Coogan, Hugh Grant or Liam Gallagher to take a pay cut, hell why aren’t politicians calling out their own millionaires like Philip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt & Nadhim Zahawi. Football does loads for local communities and I bet players do more hospital visits than any other line of “celebrity “. Bournemouth are taking loads of stick regarding furloughed workers but I know for a fact they do absolutely loads of this sort of stuff. My friend lost his 18 year old and Bournemouth (Callum Wilson in particular) were absolutely fantastic to the lad when he was dying. I’ve no doubt most footballers will be doing the right thing, quietly. They don’t need big mouth politicians and pundits lecturing them on how to behave. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

People are all over the place on this. Some claiming you can be back at work 10 mins after a positive test and others not realising it’s a 7 day period of isolation if you’re displaying symptoms. It’s an incredibly more complex issue than the test negative/back to work brigade make out. My snap dragon is on the front line and to protect her 100%, she would need a test every other day at least, as would me, my son and my daughter who are living with her. It’s not really feasible, or affordable when you multiply that by the number of nhs workers. Testing can help, but getting NHS workers with symptoms who test negative back to work, isn’t one of the benefits. As you have rightly pointed out the only thing that will make a blind bit of difference is a test to determine whether you’ve had it and are consequently immune. Once we get a test with a degree of accuracy, and proof you can’t re catch it, society can start to return to normal. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Have you been asleep the past 10 days. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

My point is that it’s much more complicated than people are making out. Too easy to just say that a negative test means you can go back to work safe in the knowledge you’re clear. That status my change the very next day. Surely people displaying symptoms but testing negative need a daily test if they’re working normally, is that really feasible? If it is, great. Anyone with no symptoms, or symptoms but pass a daily test can work. I’m not sure I’d want my snap dragon working on the front line alongside someone coughing & sneezing all day, even if they did pass a test 2 days earlier. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Can you still become infected at the same time you have a cold/cough. Under your “simple to understand” explanation. Could someone test negative one day & catch it the next? Does the test stop you being infected? No, therefore surely you need to test everyday. Otherwise a nurse on a Covid ward could test negative one day, catch it 3 days later but continue to work because her negative test makes her think she’s only got her original “cold”. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Those of you sticking up for plod need to watch this. Bloke films a jobsworth traffic warden on his phone & 5 plod turn up to invite him for an “interview”, including one with his hand constantly on his taser. None of them 2 meters apart, yet people claim it’s the public that are the idiots. If anyone believes these new powers aren’t going to their head, they’re deluded. https://mobile.twitter.com/DrJamesKent3/status/1245249108148879362 Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Not entirely it’s not. As per usual, you give them a inch & they take a mile. Despite your rush to stick up for plod it’s noticeable you don’t answer the question of where were they pre this virus? I’ve never seen so many round here, **** me, they were even patrolling the streets of Poole last night. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk