Lord Duckhunter

What truely depresses me is that this could have been any number of clubs supporters, including ours. Yet people still seem to want to blame Scousers. Maybe it's a hangover from Heysel, when they were to blame, maybe it's stupid Harry Enfield stereotype's, I dont know. ****ing hell, these were normal, everyday people the same as supporters from all over the Country.Had a load of teenage girls died at a crush at a Wham concert in '89 I'm ****ing damn sure it would have been investigated correctly and people charged. I defy anyone to read Trevor Hicks story and how he lost his 2 girls and not be moved to tears. I just hope that it is trolling on here and that we dont have supporters who really beliveve the nonsense they post. What happened to the 96 was a tragedy,and the cover up was a national disgrace. Lets just hope that people are now called to account and the families may get a tiny bit of peace.

Talking of drink driving, I play 5 a side with a copper. He said that they are now targetting people who drive in the morning after a night out. When he's on the early shift he has to drive round noting cars left in pub car parks. If someone comes and picks the car up before about 10pm, they make an excuse to pull them over and give them a breath test.He works for Dorset police, but I'm sure Hants will be the same.

I find it unbelievable and really sad that despite The Taylor report and "new" facts coming to light since, people on here are still peddling nonsense and lies. The Taylor report said that ticketless fans played no part in this and that there were no more ticketless fans than at any other similar game. The issue was that the pens in the middle were not shut off , therefore you had too many in those pens and not enough in the ones to the side.There was a programme on ITV Monday night where witness' said the year before the central pens were blocked off once they filled up, the next year this didn't happen. Taylor also concluded that drink played no part in this, so can we stop with this nonsense once and for all and debate the facts. I cant help feeling that people's judgement is clouded by the fact the victims were scousers. It could easily been our supporters at any semi final pre Taylor.There were Southampton supporters who didn't have tickets, there were Southampton supporters who had a drink and there were Southampton supporters who rushed from the pub at the last minute. Football supporters must take some of the blame, it was their behavour over the years which resulted in the pens. But the police must take 99% of the blame.There was no valid safety certificate for the stadium (hardly H&S gone mad). On the ITV programme witness' said that the year before the police staggered the fans arriving at the game, by setting up check points to check tickets and control the movement of fans along the way to the ground. The KO should have been delayed and this relayed to the supporters outside, there would have been no need to open the exit gate, which coupled with not closing off the central pens, was the heart of the whole thing.. It's all well and good saying people shouldn't push, but come on. Semi Final of the cup kicked off, most of us would want to get in ASAP. We have then ended up with a horrific cover up as the establishment closed ranks and ignorant British people bought into it. Statements changed, lies leaked to the press and MP's, inquests not fulfilling their role. The saddest thing for me is not the behaviour of the establishment, I expect that from them. But the behaviour of a large number of football supporters, who still to this day buy into the lies, buy into the cover up. A nudge and a wink, "you know what Scousers are like" sort of attitude, implications that the families and wider community actually like being the victims here, that they enjoy the grief. Whereas they were just football supporters doing what you or I do every week.96 of them, over half of them under 25, went to a football match and never came home. Yet nobody has been held to account.

Connery will do anything to see Scotland become independant................................, apart from live there .

I dont get it. Particulary in Newcastle's case. They rest players and play a weakened team in the Europa League to save them for the Premiership, where they try and finish high enough to qualify for the Europa League.

Exactly. You must have an estimate from the original quote. I would make sure that you have that money put aside and if and when they send you a bill pay it. If they say "we forget to bill you, why didn't you remind us", just say "I forgot as well". What can they do about it. I wouldn't do it to a mate, but you've done nothing wrong. I'm sure if one of their suppliers forgot to bill them, they wouldn't ring up and prompt them.

We should play "Skate Bingo", tick off the words and phrases that'll come up regulary. Bound to be a few mentions of plucky Pompey, great fans, fighting against the odds, team put together in a few days, ect ect ect............

Strange, because mine were in a half openned envolope as well. Must be using cheap envolopes.

Advisor is the job title, brown envolopes at the ready f'sure.............

Careful, we're inching towards Westwood territory.

Before we start learning some new and wonderful songs, can we start with OWTS. It used to boom round The Dell and it was guanteed to get everyone singing. Lets get that back to its rightful place and reclaim it as a Saints sone. Not Spurs, Stoke or anyother ****ing imposters.

I've tried pointing this out to some Skates at work, but they've started to include pre football league and other assorted fixtures, which gives them the edge. I've also seen them mention this on another forum. I'm sure this approach will grow amongst the bell ringers, because they do seem to latch onto things enmasse.

Are they really that stupid? ****ing hell, I was 41 before I saw them finish above us in the League. I suspect I'll be in my 80's before I see it again. By the time I pop my cloggs (which hopefully will be a number of years yet), the only time I will have seen them above us was a period in which their sucsess was built on sand and may yet cost them their club.............

Things like this are not black and white. Left to them managers want dozens of players for every situation, so it's no surprise that NA may have wanted to keep Billy even though he's way down the pecking order. It's no surprise that a Chairman looking to live within our means, wants a fringe player moved on, and acceptted an offer. What is being implied here is that NA really wanted to keep Sharp, but that NC decided he couldn't and somehow moved him on against NA wishes. Had NA desperately wanted to keep Billy and considered him a major part of his plans then NC loaning him out becomes a resignation issue. Had NA insisted Sharp stayed then no doubt NC would have asked dhim to move someone else on to trim the squad. NA's stock has never been higher, there are plenty of Championship Chairman who would jump at the chance to employ him. If things were so bad that NC was dictating which formations and which players he has to play, then NA's name would be linked with jobs. His agent would be basically tipping the wink, that he's up for a move and some papers would be reporting "club x are thinking of replacing Manager Y with NA who is unsettled at SFC". There's nothing, not a thing in the papers or any other media. Do people really think that NA is such a patsy, that he sits there and lets NC dump a load of shiete on him?

He also took Coventry from the 3rd Division to the first when he was their manager.

Had we not signed Sharp in Jan window most people would be doing their nut if , as a newly promoted Premiership club,we were bringing him in now. there would be posts about a lack of ambition, posts about how he's not the level we require and contrasts made with West Ham and Reading's signing of Premiership quality strikers. He seems like a nice guy and it's really sad his personal stuff, but he's a good Championship player and we're now a Premiership club. I remember Lawrie saying that you need a team to get you up and then another one once you're there. Just like Chappers and Deano, he was part of that side (a small one compared to them), but my opinion is he's not good enough for where we are now.

The whole thing is as clear as mud. I cant make Tues night games as I work. I was thinking of getting a ticket to build my points up as I am staying with my Mum's family for the QPR game, as they're S/T holders there. Now I dont know whether they are using the system or not .

I despair at the full backs in the modern game and Fox is a prime example. Brian Clough used to say get close and stop the cross, that was the full backs first duty. Nowadays them seem so scared of being skinned and look like a dummy, that they give the widemen way too much room and allow croses. Fox isn't the only one, but he's one of the worst I've seen. It's ok to defend like that against ok opposition, but against the best sides, we'll get punished. I cant help thinking that they are coached this way. Maybe because a alot of sides dont throw crosses in (Arsenal being a prime example) managers are telling them to make sure they dont get beat inside or out. The first goal Sun was a prime example, he should have got closer and let the cross hit his face, nuts or anything to stop it getting into RVP. Glen Johnson was taken apart by the pundits on MoTD. Playing like a winger and not carrying out his main role of defending. I dont want to sound like an old fart, but i want my full backs to defend and stop crosses.Anything else is a bonus.

Spot on. The Torys didn't help with their choice of Michael Howard. They should have held their noses and voted for that idiot Ken Clarke, then kicked him out when they won.

My point is relevant to this thread. Blair was popular with the people, without him the last Labour leader to have won an election would have been Harold Wilson. Why on earth his named got booed at the Labour conference I dont know. Personally I think the British people should have chucked him out in humilating style because of Iraq, but they didn't. Instead of that, he managed to throw a hospital pass to Gordon (which is what Gordon deserved for all his back stabbing).............

This is the same as those greatest albums or greatest artists things then run all the time. Great people get lost in the mists of time and old farts who would vote for them are either dead, puddled,cant be bothered or are unable to understand how to vote.

Expanding the topic slightly, what has happened to Mikey Wilde, and we dont hear much about old Rupes now-a-days?

What makes me laugh is that the lefties 2 great hate figures in Maggie and Blair, won 6 elections between them. No doubt we'll now get a rant about the FPTP system, explaining why they won so many mandates from ordinary people up and down the country.

Why, I wonder do Labour party supporters or ex Labour supporters and various lefties make Blair the bogeyman. Gordon Brown was as powerful a figure in the Labour Government as any chancellor has ever been. there is no way Blair could hve pressed ahead without Brown's backing. It's alright red Ed trying to claim that if he was in parliament he'd have voted against the war, but the simple truth is that the Ball's, Brown's and other labour leading lights were just as much to balme as Blair. It suits the Labour party to pin it on Blair, but it was a Brown/Blair Government. Perhaps Gordon should be put up for war crimes as well.

Fonte and Jos both have their faults and they both have their strengths. Jos is a better "backs to the wall" type of defender and that's what we've needed in both Manchester games. The peno's he gave away were both naive in the extreme and he must learn from this. I dont think yesterdays would have been given in the Championship, but by the letter of the law, felt it was a pen. Fonte is better on the ball and when we play weaker sides and have a bit more possession he'll come into his own. Fonte started a bit dodgy last season, but got better and better, if he can do the same this year, he'll be ok. Competition for places will hopefully spur them both on.