Lord Duckhunter

This is another great intro, Levon's drums, followed by Rick Danko's bass, the piano and then the whole band. Great start to a great Scorsese film, which is played after a few drinks every New Years eve in the Duck household. [video=youtube;-WoI95PTizs]

The League didn't realise quite how sheite they are. When they set the -10 for this season I doubt if they thought for one minute that they would be so awful that this situation would arise.

I was watching Sky Arts In Conversation last night and it had Tony Benn on., It was quite up to date because they were talking about "the cuts" but must have been recorded before Mrs T's death. She was mentioned quite a lot, but nothing about her passing. He was discussing politicians and said there were only 2 types. Signposts and Weather cocks. Signposts have an opinion and ideas, stick to them and point people in the direction they think people should go. If you return in a year, 2 years, 3 years, they are still pointing the same way. Weather cocks swing in the wind, spinning round depending on focus groups and public opinion and polls. He was asked what Mrs T was, "oh undoubtedly a signpost", he replied before adding "although pointing in the wrong direction". I thought it was a really simple way of summing up conviction politicians that hit the nail on the head and also a way of acknowledging that although you could disagree with someone's policies could admire the fact that they had honest and consistent beliefs..

Basically there is a blue plaque posted, and I hope to god it's some sort of photo shop thing and not really hanging at their "stadium". The words are very inspiring On this site Once more stands a mighty football club. We can not change the past But we can shape the future. Dedicated to all those fans who took a stand and refused to allow Portsmouth Football club to die.

This was posted on another site, be prepared to throw up.

We were allowed to fold Bazza, but luckily ML listened to Nicola Cortese rather than you and decided that you could in fact make money out of football. I don't really understand this thread Bazza, if you're trying to equate a football club with nationalised industries perhaps you could point me in the direction of any football clubs that the state owns? I can see it now in Bazza land, the man from Whitehall deciding on our signings, and you moan about Les Reed.

On the whole I find Germans more efficient and hardworking than the British. At the end of the day Bazza. Thatcher wasn't a dictator that sold British national assets against the will of the nation, but someone who changed the country with a mandate from the people. She put her changes to the British people and they had a choice, Foot, Callaghan and Kinnocks version of Britain or Thatcher's. Every time the answer was the same and no amount of whinging or dancing on an old lady's grave will change that. Rather than take it out and blame her, perhaps you should be criticising the millions that voted for her.

Our economy would be as good if it was run by Germans.

The NHS is nothing special, there are many areas where it needs reform, but as soon as anyone dares to think about it people like you are up in arms about it. The debate is not helped by the black or white argument put forward. It is either the NHS or the American system, whereas in truth is there are lots of better systems in between which would give the tax payer better value and also deliver free at the point of delivery. We have a health service that sometimes makes people sicker or even kills them in hospital, how is that the envy of the world? My Mrs works on the front line and can tell you horror stories about waste, poor nursing and lazy staff.

To be fair there's quite a few like that, who said "British jobs for British workers", maybe Enoch Powell, Nick Griffin, can't remember now, but I'm sure it was some rabid right winger.

Seeing as Germany seems to be everyone's model country on this thread, particularly Bazza's, perhaps we could model our health service on theirs. Oh sorry, forgot, ours is the "envy of the world".

Nonsense Bazza, the state has too much say in people's lives. Every single problem is addressed "what is the government doing about this". You cant turn on QT without some bird (usually ugly) saying "I cant get a job/cheap child care/afford to travel/afford my tuition fees, what is the Government doing about it". The Government should tax people, provide a safety net, provide certain services i.e. police, fire, doctors, and then get the hell out of people's lives. I do not accept your main assertion that things would be better and cheaper under Government control. Personally, I think the railways would cost us more, maybe not in tickets but via paying more tax, and be a worse service. Same with energy , half the problem is the complicated tariff system, but that should be legislated against. On the whole private individuals are better at running companies than the man in Whitehall. Of course shareholders and CEO's are going to get rich, but the bottom line is what I pay for the services I receive and anyone who thinks are bills would be cheaper and the service better when run by Whitehall is deluded.

Remember how long it used to take to get a phone line fitted?

This is quite a decent article, pretty balanced I would suggest. We've had Bazza's take on it, how about Dominic Sandbrook's the author of several history books about Britain in the 1960s and 1970s. Both appear to be of a similar age, so have had to rely on research rather than their memories. A couple of points stand out for me. "For when Margaret Thatcher won power in May 1979, it was against the backdrop of perhaps the gloomiest decade in modern British history. Shorn of its empire, Britain now cut a very miserable figure on the world stage. For at least two decades we had been falling behind our rivals, and now the contrast was painful to see. Britain's average inflation rate for the 1970s was 13%. West Germany's was just 5%. Our unemployment rate was 4%. Theirs was only 2%. Our major cities seemed shabby and seedy, our newspapers were full of strikes and walkouts," "In truth, Britain in the 1980s was always facing an immensely painful transition, partly because so many difficult decisions had been postponed for so long, but also because the stark reality of globalisation meant that major industries - notably carmaking, shipbuilding and coal-mining - were doomed even before she took power. As a strident and often abrasive woman, Thatcher became the convenient scapegoat." "Even if she had never been prime minister, many of the changes she came to represent, from privatisation and deregulation to the death of heavy industry and the rise in unemployment, would almost certainly have happened anyway, only more slowly." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22076886 I think one of the problems is that some on the right have built her up to be something that she wasn't. They have made her into a neo con type figure and this has then allowed the left to rewrite history in the same manner. Certain myths have been hijacked by both sides of the argument to push their own agenda.

Exactly, im also starting to get ****ed off with some of the no marks getting honoured at games now. Well be honouring Doris the tea lady soon. That said if the club decide to hold a minutes silance for anyone, I'll honour it or maybe arrive fashionably late to miss it. To disrupt it would make me as low as the skate scum that disrupted teds .

Dr Beeching ****ed up the railways more than Thatcher ever did. And the botched privatisation was handled by the major government and remember that labour promised to renationalise them, how did that work out? The poll tax is an interesting one, remember at the time most people were complaining about the rates and they were considered unfair and in need of reform. Rather than duck the issue as countless people had done before, she attacked the issue head on . Nowadays the jokers running all 3 parties would kick it into the long grass or find out what focus groups think rather than show real leadership. The much maligned poll tax had some attractions and still does imo. It was not some sort of spitful policy designed to trample on the jocks or the poor but a serious, if misguided attempt to reform an unfair system. Recently we had 4 working adults living in our house, my neighbour had him and his mrs. Is it fair that we paid the same for local services? If you want local taxes to reflect peoples ability to pay, is property value the best way of doing do? I'm not convinced it is . Personally I prefer empowering councils to decide their own method, it maybe a local income tax, maybe property based or maybe a set rate paid by every working adult. Whatever it is it should a local decision endorsed by the local voters. The worst thing about the poll tax was that it shut down the debate on how we finance local services as nobody will touch it with a barge pole.

Well there's a surprise!!!!! Personally I would have thought the decent thing to do was to wait till after the funeral. What would your response be to Skates celebrating the death of a public figure, Matt Le Tiss maybe, or Lawrie, would you defend their right to do so? Or does that right only extend to the death of people you don't like?

It's about manners and respect and doing the right thing however much it grates you. Personally I don't think it's right for people to be celebrating the death of anyone (save a few like Hitler ect) and any critique of her personality or politics should at least wait until she's buried. Sometimes it better to say nothing at times like this, but to positively relish the death of someone is sick and unbecoming. Can you imigane the outcry if when asked about the death of Jacques Delors, Nigel farage spouted the bile that some are spouting about Thatcher, or if the Orange order celebrating the passing of The Pope in such a way. I am a confirmed and passionate Repulician , yet if the Queen passed away, I would keep my opinions to myself despite hating the women and all she stands for. I would not be celebrating or planning to protest at her funeral, in fact I would proberly be arrested if I did celebrate. I would not be doing so because it is wrong to do so, and I was brought up to do the right thing in this sort of situation. I'm not saying people should like or respect her, but should wait awhile before spouting some of the bile the BBC seem so keen to encourage.

Didn't think the lefties could get any lower over the death of an old lady, but no, Derek Hatton lowering the tone even further. " I wish she'd never been born". Oh, and accord to Hatton , she paved the way for Tony Blair's "illegal war". Why is it that lefties like Foot are allowed to rest in peace by their political foes, but they don't even have the respect to wait until she's buried before spouting vile and hate.

Correct, they were. They've been very brave to do what they've done, but that doesn't make them Ghandi. And it certainly doesn't make Maggie Thatcher as evil as them

Don't be so ****ing stupid, it's hardly child like to call Adams evil. He was personally involved and also sanctioned some evil acts including some against his own community. Rather than being "uniformed" a good friend of mine was in the Garda at the time, admittedly in Lucan rather than the border area, but he'll tell you intelligence they had and the things these guys did. They were at the very top of an organisation that knee capped their own, made people from their own community disappear and murdered innocent men, women, and children. And what attitude have I adopted over the "peace process", I made no comment over it other than call Adams Evil. Don't you think the Paisleys of this world think he's evil, don't you think John Major thought he was evil, Mo Mowlem knew he was evil. He was one evil son of a *****, but they held their noses and dealt with him. Calling Adams evil does not mean one is against this manufactured peace. Why try and make out he's some sort of Nelson Mandela.

If you really believe that Gerry Adams was no more evil than Maggie Thatcher, then you are seriously deluded . What people like Adams and McGuiness did was pure evil and just because the establishment held their noses and arranged some sort of "peace" does not suddenly make them freedom fighters or soldiers. They were murdering evil bastards, end of.

Her radical policies which were against the political wisdom at the time is now mainstream and endorsed by all except the Galloway's of the world. Even her "milk snatching" from her Education days was never reversed by Labour. Non of the industries she privatised were ever renationalised by Labour. Never again would they squeeze the rich until the pips squeaked, they still sold council houses and they never reformed any of her major union legislation. Surely the proof in whether your policies were any good is the fact that the opposition embraced most of your major convictions, despite 3 massive majorities and 13 years in which to do so.

Weak leaders like Heath, Wilson and Sunny Jim were leading us to terminal decline by constantly giving in to the unions. We were the sick man of Europe, a country with a past but no future. The fact that the reforms were not rolled back despite 13 years to do so, says it all.

Forget about the politics for a minute and just remember what an incredible achievement for a women to lead a political party and particularly the Tory party. We are no nearer to another women PM than we were when she left a generation ago. She was also outside of the establishment and a great contrast to pygmies running the 3 parties at present. You can quite understand people hating her, but the simple facts are that she won 3 victories so her policies were popular with the electorate. The country needed changing and she had the balls to change it. Hardly any of her reforms were rolled back by Labour despite 3 massive majorities and 13 years to do so.