Mole

It cannot be disputed that she was without doubt the greatest leader this country has had since Churchill. The sad thing is that after 10 years of a Socialist tax and waste government the good work has been undone and we're on the brink of rubbish piling up in the streets once again and we will be paying for Browns mistakes for years to come.

I was young at the time it was sung.

I never fell for the Wilde spin. This is a fact, not me re-inventing history. Just because i'm anti lowe doesn't mean i fell for the Scousers rhetoric.

Ho Ho Ho Mike's back to his old tricks. Will the clique fall for it again? Of course they will.

Hell freezing over.

I agree, they need to rebrand. From reading the articles on the Trusts website i don't think the board is an issue, but Nick Illingsworth as chairman is a massive issue. He needs to be toppled with a vote of no confidence by the few members that remain.

Let's hope you're right. People are always going to take class A drugs so lecturing is pointless, so if one lesson is to be learnt i'd say just take a small amount first (and let it do it's business) before getting wasted. Yeah i know just a small amount of poison can be fatal, but let's be realistic - the smaller the amount the less chance it can be fatal.

I take on your point about running the Trust being a time consuming exercise, but it's presumably the same for every Trust. Not every Trust failed like the Saints Trust did. It's easy to blame Nick illingsworth for putting the final nail in the coffin, but the real damage was done early doors.

In opening post i stated "gross errors of judgement made in the past must be learnt from, and therefore they need bringing into the open, so these mistakes are not replicated."

This is find truely disgusting. Basically Nick Illingsworth is using the Trust to give credence and weight to his personal opinions.

Au contrare, i could write a thesis on the failings of the Saints Trusts but i'll stick to bullet points and, if you require, expand on them on request. The failings include, but are not limited to, failings in the following key areas: *Honesty and Integrity - 838 members the website proclaims. *Financial prudence - buying 1885 shares when the money should have been used to grow. *Independence - accepting share proxies from the major share holders. *Accountability - A f.o.t.b constrained by confidentiality clauses. *Communication - because the subs were squandered there was no money left to communicate with.

Heil Rupert

It'll get better in the close season.

Do you have any other usernames that you use to PM users with to try to get them to do your dirty work?

OK Steven with a "ph", what mistakes do you think you made in running the Trust?

That explains a lot. Thankyou Steven. Very interesting indeed.

When you state chairman are you refering to the PLC Chairman, the Football Chairman, or Stevens old position?

As much as i respect and admire Connor for his hard work, it's a sad indictment on our supporters groups that we have no effective fans body to represent us at this time. The Saints Trust is dead now - due to foolish decisions made at it's conception. I'm not sure the shell of the Trust can now be salvaged - such were the calamitous errors made early doors, but there is a slim chance it could be re-born. That said the gross errors of judgement made in the past must be learnt from, and therefore they need bringing into the open, so these mistakes are not replicated. What mistakes were made by the Trust that ensured it failed?

Give us a few smileys Steven, you know you want to. It's a common trait of yours when you get rattled.:rolleyes: oopps, i just did it.

He won't respond because he knows i'll out debate him on this issue.

I would rather they hadn't thrown away their independence by accepting share proxies from major shareholders. This is one of many mistakes made which contributed to it's failure. I can list all the mistakes if you wish.

I'll never be on your side Steven. Your bodged running of the Trust has a lot to answer for when it jumped into bed with Wilde. I'm not for one minute suggesting that if you hadn't cosyed up Wilde wouldn't have became involved, but your incompetence in throwing away the Trusts independence - thus making it a laughing stock that failed, has meant it's down to people like Connor to organise protests.

This is what get's me. Picking on a kid is really hard isn't it.

Would you like to borrow my blow up Rupert doll Rupert? We all know you love yourself.

OK Rupert.