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They make exceptions but knock you back points. Luton being the prime case.

Creditors Voluntary Agreement. Well the new company set up to take over the club has to agree with all non secured creditors to pay off a certain percentage of the outstanding debts on an equal basis (ie everybody gets the same). So if the club (or company or whatever) have say 15 million in unsecured debts, the new company may propose 20p in the £ (Luton was 16p I think) or 10p or 30p ,until everybody agrees to accept that as full and final payment. It seems that the IR and Excise don't accept these piddly 15p,20p in the £ deals and no CVA is acceptable. Hence the old company does not exit administration by way of CVA. Our problem is that SMS is a secured loan, on ticket sales and I suppose the stadium itself and that from what I can surmise even part of our bank lending is secured. Aviva and Barclays would take whatever they could get from the sale of assets and everybody else (including ther IR and Excise) would be hung out to dry. It really depends what we owe other than the bank lending and SMS; Of that I've absolutely no idea. As we're increasing our bank borrowing it could be that we're not at all bad with other debts. But if the bank saw it coming well they just wouldn't sanction the cheques to other creditors and our other debts could rocket in very little time. For instance, tonight's game. say 5000 ticket sales, that's £15000 quid or so vat on tickets alone. Add on the beer,programmes and whatever and suddenly we could run up another 30K debt to the Excise.Shop merchandise is heavily taxable. I've no idea what they sell in a day but if we stoped paying our VAT we could run up a £1 million bill in a week or so.

No it depends on getting a successful what is now CVA? is that it? But the IR and the Excise (who administer VAT) don't play ball any more with cheap 10p in the £ buy backs so you're still in Admin and you get -15 points (Bournemouth seem to have got -17 though). Thus it boils down to this. If you owe money to the VAT and Revenue you're not going to get away with it lightly. If you don't and you can patch up something with the other creditors maybe you'll be OK. The experts will no doubt correct me if I've understood it badly.

But this is the trouble with the Academy, unless you've saleable finished articles to put on the market at 17/18 years old it's not worth the cost; You can find hundreds of Greek,Spanish,Portuguese,African,Brazilian kids who ARE the real mccoy at 17 and 18. We got loads of swans for Walcott and Bale because they were playing in the first team and performing at a very young age. After that they become swamped in the mass of professional footballers on the market. This is why we shouldn't wait too long with Lallana and Surman, they're getting past the "wonderkid" age and we'll get a few bob but nothing more.

No, it was one game and the second was for having been already sent off this season.

Nice of you to stay in contact with this one though.

I went to that game, I was at Imperial College at the time.

Yep, I'm not sure that the consumption cost on a 600 KW (or higher) set up would be the same as on a 9KW domestic scheme. The electricity board needs to put down enormous cables for that and it has a cost which they pass on to the user. On occasions we haven't used the undersoil heating because it was too expensive and yet I doubt that it would be more than 400Kilowatts.

Gauss it passes a wet Tuesday.

It's self explanatory, told you all yesterday, football is like smoking, often disagreeable but f**king hard to give up.

It's no good showing resistance ,anyway it's a silly thread. Keeps their mind off the board room faraday.

What CND brigade. We have a majority of nuclear in France along with some Hydraulic. Nobody moans about it and certainly nobody moans about the cost. Seeing as they moan about everything else it must be a bit of alright.

Eolians are pretty noisy,would certainly drown their fans out. Your average wind turbine arm makes about as much noise as a chain saw.

I was just trying the lighten up the discussion.

Our kettle is 1.5 KW, so you'd need about 285 to make up the same wattage as the floodlights. Mind you there are no doubt more powerful ones around.

Are UK energy prices really that high. Need some Nuclear then. In France 3p/KWh off peak (8 hours/day) 6p/KWh peak. But the the bigger your 'installation' the bigger your fixed charge is. Domestic 9 KW is about a tenner a month.

Not sure that you're right. Could be though.

Works out at about £80 quid a game, can't be right. 218x2Kx2 (hours) =872 kw/hoursx0.10£= 87.20£

roberston is injured. Front pair =McG and BWP. Unless Paterson gets a full game.

Lancashire is suspended. I don't think Pekhart figures in our plans any more, not as a starter anyway. Must be some sort of problem with him. May even see Gasmi on the bench, don't think he'll get a game though. tr

Fabregas is 21,C Ronaldo is 23,Beckham started playing for England (not the U21s ) at 20. Kid's in football now are 16.

About 10000 .

See than Jan has put out his usual pre-match piece on the OS. Some info in there: No Gillet or Robertson, both injured apparently. Probably explains Robertson's absence last Saturday, hamstring . Smith back in squad. We're looking for more presence in the box. That's about it. I'm quite pleased Gillett isn't getting a game, I just don't rate him in any way whatsoever.

Very well done, you're stopping fairies dying as well.

And we saved a bit on Burley I suppose. It could well be that we don't actually give all the money to players and coaches who were actually still here in that period. I understand that it is fairly common practice to continue paying up the contracts of sacked managers as if they were still on the payroll. Wigley would be the only one in that hypothesis I suppose. So all in all we reduced nothing in the last 6.5 months of the year, despite dire warnings from the execs that it was an absolute priority. I just can't help thinking that if we hadn't wasted time (and probably money) on Dodd and Gorman we'd be in a different configuration even now; If we hadn't been odds on favourites to go down (and into financial oblivion) on the last day ,would Lowe and Wilde have obtained enough support for their "comeback"? If we'd been sitting pretty mid table with a manager getting consistent decent results it might have been so different,even now. Should have got Davies or even Micky Adams in the first place. Bad bad decision.