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And a perfectly reasonable attitude that is too. Me I blame the young (18-40) for not turning out in significant numbers. Remain should have won (in theory) if you look at the information given across the polls and apply it to the demographic.

Well and the Isle of Wight,Cornwall,Devon Basingstoke, Essex etc. In fact only around London were the results significantly in favour of remaining, Scotland and N.Ireland apart of course. Why Southampton even voted to Leave. I really don't think you can blame it on the Northerners.

Really doesn't make pleasant reading, perhaps it's less than factual.

Le Pen will never get power, the 2 round system will always prevent it from happening. Anyway in 2005 the French refused the latest form of the European treaty by 55 to 45, changed absolutely squat, the government went ahead with it anyway on the grounds that the people are idiots anyway and no attention needed to be paid to whatever they might think about things that were too complex for their comprehension..

And it will probably creep back up to around 1.30 when people realise that nothing is going to change very much for at least 18 months. Except that we won't be expected to participate in any more bailouts of course. Just need the Spanish to suddenly go hard left and it might even go higher again.

After 5 years residence they can't ask you to leave whatever your origin may be because you have the right to apply for citizenship, whatever may be your origin. There was a much publicised case as couple of years back where a Kosovar family illegally resident in France for about 4 years and 8 months got slung out and the associations who love this sort of stuff tried to delay their deportation to get them into the 5 year bracket, didn't work though.

It's 5 years normally, but anyone with income will still be welcome I believe. When I first came here we had residents permits as well, just had to have a job or a source of income and you got the card for 5 years.

Marry a French girl, wait a couple of years and spend 2 whole days hanging about in a drab office whilst they checked everything line by line. Oh and get a translation of my PhD certificate to prove that I wasn't a thicko. Took ages and cost 200 francs if i recall correctly. Nowadays it takes about 5 minutes and a baker's certificate or something.

With only the Scottish making the figures look even contested. Surprised at places like Stoke though, massive leave at about 68 % and yet the average age is about 38 according to the last census. Either the young didn't turn out or they voted leave.

Not me, I was refused a vote, gone for more than 15 years, I think I might have voted remain but who can say.

Oh I'm not sure that there will be any olive branchs, last I heard they want us out and no hanging about over it, won't get our 2 years even. I heard some Franco/Germanic politician talking about cutting out the gangrene this very morning.

don't even remember how we used to do it, still we're an island and can control arrivals at Stranraer and wherever I suppose. Might have to write off Northern Ireland though, but then I think we've already done that on occasions.

And might I add went through some pretty hard times in the Wilson, Heath and Callaghan years. Endured hardships that these sprogs will never know. Now they think they're mistreated if they don't get 20 pints and 10 burgers a week apparently.

I'm all for him if it's a choice between him and this portuguese bloke Silva that seems to be the latest fad. I intially favoured Pellegrini though but as he's not an option I'm behind Puel. Never really done a bad job anywhere and will probably be modest enough in his transfer demands. Don't know how it's going to pan out though, seems to be something of a standby option as far as the club is concerned.

Problem with referendums really, perhaps they should have made it compulsory to actually vote though. Isn't that what they do in Australia?

Who knows, perhaps he isn't good on football manager.

Shock I expect. Let's face it right up until after the polls closed yesterday evening it was still being given 52/48 Remain. That means that something, somewhere is fundamentally wrong in those polls. Things happened yesterday on markets because the polls were erroneous, occupational hazard to be sure but people have lost money and stuff because of that. I might suspect (and it's only that) that a certain age group didn't turn out to vote as expected because that's what applying the given percentages to the demographics would suggest. Oh and the Welsh didn't vote as expected or so it would seem.

I'd still be interested to know how many 18-24 year olds actually voted because with a 73/27 ratio that should have easily balanced out the old folks voting 40/60 .

I expect the draw was supposed to produce a France-Spain final, silly Spanish farked up by getting beaten by the Croats.

OK, nothing to add there.

As i say I'm a citizen,have been for a very long time.

it's what you see on the ground everywhere yes but some just don't seem to want to notice it. I'm all for the mixity from all parts providing that everyone has the right to be here and does their bit even if it's not much. I'm am totally against sponging off a very generous system because eventually it will collapse. Unemployment is sky high here because of all of the social charges levied on salaries. A minimum wage worker costs his employer about 15 euros an hour and receives about half of that sum, where's the social justice in that when you can stay at home and get roughly the same? Salaries etc are taxed, hand outs aren't, again no justice.

Best leave it, it's something over which most French are in complete denial anyway, even though the Cour des Comptes has pulled the alarm cord on 2 occasions recently concerning the disparity in those claiming asylum and those asking for free medical treatment. It's all about politics and we'll see who's right when it explodes in our faces or doesn't..

Wasn't that quite unexpected? Thought I saw them in the red remain camp on yesterday's graphics.

I'm a French citizen as well... Anyway I see that Menard and Melenchon, hard hard right and harder than hardest left have proposed that English no longer be used as a working language at European encounters, makes sense really as we'll no longer be there. Let them all learn dutch and swedish.