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Perversely Les, I kind of admire your brazen contempt for evidence - it certainly makes bulls**ting a lot easier.

Which flight were you on? The 17.15 from Stansted (easyjet) had a few wurzels, though the head stewardess didn't do herself any favours.

Not sure they particularly miss Toby: clearly it would be better he was fit but their problems are up top and a chronic lack of pace. Janssen and Sissoko have to date been flops. Dembele wasn't their deepest lying midfielder last season: they played Dier, a converted CB, there so Wanyama is basically a replacement/upgrade on him. Dembele was suspended at the start of the season, so they lost some dynamism when Dier and Wanyama played together but that's not been the case for a while.

Still making things up - you've not done any reading, have you?

Les - wrong again. Distance continues to matter. I guess youve not read anything. You're having an utter mare today.

Les, it's difficult to discuss matters when you're so clueless about first principles and basic economic facts. That -not the fact that we disagree (which is healthy) is why you repeatedly come out of these exchanges looking so silly. Did I deny that technology has reduced some of the constraints of distance? No I didn't. Note distance encompasses more than geography; but lets park that for now lest I tax you too much. What I said is that even with technological advance, distance remains a significant handicap, casting into doubt many of Brexiters cheery, childish assumptions. Not sure what your obsession is with container ships. An even simpler example is services. In principle, ICT and digitisation should mean that services (many of which are information-based) can be sent instantaneously and at zero transport cost (relative to goods). And yet there is evidence that the impact of distance on service trade is greater than for goods. Go have a read Les and when you're ready, perhaps come back and have a chat about British industry (whoops ).

Again with your desperate and self-defeating obfuscation Les. You're only making yourself look sillier. Never mind the substantive point that we're discussing the fortunes of the UK economy and British business, industry is an open-ended concept and includes services. Does the CBI only represent manufacturing/goods-producing firms? Does the SIC, the main classification system, exclude service-based activities? In case you're in doubt (I take nothing for granted with you), those are rhetorical questions and the answer to both is no. When you're out of your depth, usually it's best not to say anything at all The only reason that export growth has been faster is that growth in emerging economies has been faster. It has little to do with the UK's unique economic or trade strengths. Invariably this will slow as China and other emerging economies converge with advanced economies (never mind the heightened risk of shocks that might derail growth). This is another basic fact of economic life to which you appear utterly oblivious. Indeed there is evidence that this is already happening in countries like China and is seen as both desirable and necessary. Notwithstanding this UK's trade with emerging markets is small relative to that with the EU. Even under the most optimistic assumptions, it will continue to be so in 2030. The share of UK exports going to Germany alone is still projected to be higher than exports going to China. Above all, distance matters. Any attempt to deny its importance to trade is economically illiterate. Do explain why decades of literature on the subject is wrong. Sorry Les if it disturbs the serenity to which you and other fawning Brexiters believe you are entitled.

Even by your staggeringly ignorant levels Les, this is a whopper. Remind me how the UK will secure and enjoy the same access it currently does to the EU services market? So are you accepting that sonething will have to give on free movement? And no Les, the importance of distance has not diminished, particularly with respect to services (never mind that global trade outside the EU has been slowing). The role of proximity is as a close to a 'scientific' law as you'll find in economics. Rather than repeating platitudes about air freight (which betrays a lack of understanding how modern trade works and the nature of UK's comparative advantage), why not engage with the evidence for once. Google gravity trade model, if you need some assistance pal. Then again you made a tit out of yourself over productivity, so you may want to look for the Peter and Jane version https://app.ft.com/cms/s/964afa06-8f0b-11e6-8df8-d3778b55a923.html?sectionid=world And as far as negotiating positions are concerned, the EU has more leverage than the UK and has the integrity of the entire EU project to think about. Sorry if that offends your quaint romantic sensibilities about the UK's place in the world.

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Where's Romeu?

Clearly we have a few stars, though relative to previous years, the quality of the first team is down, though that of the squad is higher. As such it makes it harder to distinguish cases where we're rotating the squad from ones where we're playing a weakened team.

Everyone is pleased with the result; But let's just say that if a poster expressed Fonte's views on yesterday's performance, they would have been savaged by the usual dullards on here.

Derry?

Direction of causality pal.

One of Lander's major investors owns Hangzhou Greentown football club and the stadium is named after it. But that's a tenuous link, so you may have heard something else.

Think his performances have tailed off a bit and is perhaps trying too hard. But the lad has huge upside and we always knew we were buying a work in progress rather than the finished article. Otherwise he would have been outside our budget.

No striker would have done anything today. Hojbjerg and Davis didnt have great games either.

His save from Mané was excellent; his save from Firminho was clearly for the cameras. Was a bit iffy coming for corners and set pieces that nearly fell to Mattip.

Straw man. It wasn't about going for it; but showing a bit more intent where space opened up -and at least retaining possession. Our midfield never got a foothold in the game.

Excellent result but meh performance. We played like a plucky lower-mid table side obsessed about the opposition than an upwardly mobile one confident in establishing its own game.

The article isnt fantastic tbh. It is largely drawn from the daily echo (每日回声报) which in turn is a cut and paste from bloomberg. It notes that trading in Lander's shares has been suspended and this perhaps means Lander is abandoning its purchase of southampton. Not quite sure how one statement follows the other. But that's what it nonetheless says.

This suggesting that the Chinese might be pulling out: http://we.sportscn.com/viewnews-2178900.html

So you think the only difference between Jrod then and now is confidence?

The wurzel turned wittengenstein strikes again Yes Les I think most people can grasp ordinary english: that 'forecasts' and 'outlooks' are just that i.e. they are not reality. Who here has suggested otherwise? Lest anyone be in doubt, the words are even in bold in the main headline! Not sure why you're pompously grizzling on about 'little words' and 'nuances'.

As pointed out earlier on the thread, their shares were first suspended in October.