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......as if he needed more trouble. Could be an extra nail in the coffin if the club really want him out ....it's bringing the name of the club into disrepute..etc etc.

for a moment thought it was an advert for a Thai take-away...... but surely it must be good / bad enough for the Eurovison Song Contest.......

Despite the various issues that divide America (from the rest of humanity)..... I just recall that the Pilgrim Fathers set sail from Southampton almost 400 years ago, taking with them some seed corn, a few belongings .....and the English language. In the intervening centuries, we have tried to teach successive generations of Americans... correct English usage - and failed miserably.

interesting points. I had a similar situation ..20 years ago.. and my boss said he didn't realise I had such a " holistic view " of the whole organisation. He created a new post for me.....and I built it up .... my way. Took time for me to recruit the personnel I really wanted, but it was a great success. If you genuinely don't want the job OK, you could always say....IF I took this post ...I'd want to change this and this etc. That might put them off.... but IF they said YES ... and are prepared to let you do it .. might the job become more attractive for you? ...(especially if the salary is attractive enough) old quote (updated)....never move for less than a thousand a month. ( it was much less in my day - but same principle). Otherwise - if you are still dead against it .... I'd agree with Steve Grant #4. Thank them for considering you, but you feel that you still have " unfinished goals to achieve in your existing post" ...(or it clashes with family concerns, etc.etc.) Hopefully.. they are not vindictive, but you may have to wait and be patient for the next opportunity to come for a post you do want....whenever. .....and at the end of the day.....you were only " fishing " ...and if you didn't think you'd get it anyway ... they agreed with that thought. Good luck!

Absolutely. A model professional if ever I saw one. In JWP 's case (as it's his thread) I think we need to keep faith with his development, (but the occasional goal would silence some of his more vocal critics).

Pardew was known as a bit of a maverick, and there were certainly personality issues involved in managing his prev. London clubs.(mentioned) was unemployed when he started with our team that had -10 points, yet almost made the play-offs. I think his sacking by Cortese was an issue many fans didn't understand, but it certainly wasn't because the team played badly. His signings included Lambert, Fonte, Hammond and Puncheon who saw us through several seasons - and were the basis of the team that Adkins inherited. I don't call that failure. Adkins in turn DAJFU that few could have anticpated with two successive promotions, and only lost his job through Cortese's impatience for instant success. Those who don't have short memories will recall the fan-reaction to his untimely sacking. I don't regard his tenure as a failure either. Neither of them moved onto other clubs for some " greater glory " but both were unemployed at the time they took their next job(s). Though not successful in them, it should be noted that the biggest problems (that still exist at both Reading and Newcastle) were more concerned with the Boardrom than the dressing room. It could also be noted that both men had very limited budgets to work on when with Saints - and did wonders given those restrictions. Pochettino - did move on for ambition - and concept of a "greater glory at Spurs", but I suspect that Daniel Levy thinks the jury is still out on that one. Both Schneiderlin and Lallana played in almost every match (when they were fit) for 6 seasons. I hardly think they feel it's prestigeous to sit on the bench every week.

......and so ....the Special One has finally got the dreaded " vote of confidence from the Chelsea Board ". Football's Kiss of Death. It buys time for Abrahamovic to find his replacement - without causing panic amongst fans, or giving the media a field day. It means two weeks - and you're out ....unless you pick up the next 6 Prem. points, and don't lose the next CL game. Let's not hold our breath.

Agree totally,.... he didn't know his own limitations. ....there's a lot of difference between making a silk purse out of a cow's ear and managing to keep a team in the Prem.....than getting another in the Top Four CL places. Liverpool would have tolerated Rodgers' failure to win the Prem.title - if he'd done well in the CL, but he didn't do that either.

firstly, neither Sherwood or Advocaat moved from good jobs to better. Sherwood had been sacked by Spurs, and Advocaat was already near retirement. The successful managers are those who take poor /mediocre teams are make them better (Pardew, Adkins ...and to some degree Pochettino). as for players....YES .we moved on those you mentioned- because having moved up through two divisions they just weren't going to make it and weren't Prem.quality. Not the same as Lallana, Shaw and Co. who were good enough to be England prospects by the time they left. WHERE they moved was their choice, but I wonder if their bank balances are a real consolation for them sitting on the bench, when they long to play every game as they did at SMS. I always felt Ben Reeves was a good prospect, but there were simply too many others in the midfield queue, and he wasn't going to get a look in with Saints.

I shouldn't worry too much about them kermit. At least no-one posted ***** words on you. The general opinion seems to be that Pelle has adapted to the Prem. quite well (all things considered) - after just one season, and although we all loved Rickie Lambert .... it should be remembered that the majority of Lambert's goals were plundered in two lower divisions, and it took us a while to get him off the pies. For my money, (like Lambert) ...what Pelle lacks in pace, he makes up for in guile and positioning.

I think there must also be a bit of ......what are the waiting players doing - when those crosses come in? JWP is fairly accurate, but sometimes we have " stationary figures " in the box who ought..... at least to be moving around / going for those crosses.... I think even Frank Lampard was still learning when he was 20.

I'd go along with the theory of that, but many of them have agents who aren't so altruistic.....

I've seen this before.....and .....assuming the top brass know what they are doing ... here are some thoughts. 1) you've been "noticed" by the heirarchy, but an interview doesn't mean you're seriously in the running, sometimes people are just there to make up the numbers. 2) Do you like the job you're doing....or are you worth better? Maybe they want to bring in someone else, and move you to something better?. 3) Could you do the " other job "? Are you a good technician / expert, or do you have better " people skills "? That's very important. 4) .....if you are qualified for the "other job?" ..What is it you don't like about it ...and why would you turn it down? 5) Turning down a move isn't always negative, but I made a move once...and regretted it, but there was a lot of re-structuring and it was a part of the "Master Plan". 6) ...maybe ....the other guy was better than you (in some way that impressed them), and this other job is a consolation ..to keep you " happy " after being rejected. if you want to continue this ..PM me ....David.

tbf......Stek doesn't have the same defenders in front of him .....(as did Forster last season). Don't like to think we can compare them in the same way, but MS has surprised me a bit but not disappointed. If he achieves clean sheets at Anfield and Etihad, I'll be very impressed.

3 in the Prem ....and 1 against Vitesse. (don't know if that one counts in tally of domestic games ?)

Think I was still in my teens when they had their " Glory Days " (and that's a very long time ago).

....but to be statistically correct...only 8. We'd already scored 4 (at MK Dons )....before he came on as sub. (at 55 mins.)....but point is well taken. Matt Targett DAJFU in the meantime..(and not a bad one either), but no way is he in Bertrand's class. Ryan looks so calm on the ball and makes excellent moves/runs. Look forward to seeing him improve even more ....and get back to last seasons' form - and his rightful place at LB for England.

well Brendan finally got the chop, and no real surprise. The most difficult tasks for anyone ( player or manager) is moving UP, and making a success of it. Brendan is one of a line of up-and-coming managers who have fallen in disgrace at the big hurdle, when they were well-respected in their former jobs. David Moyes' many " steady" seasons at Everton were too much of a temptation for MU (it was said he was Ferguson's choice) but that ended in shame, and others have fallen by the wayside in the attempt to replace those "legendary managers" at (those) clubs - who think themselves greater than they really are. When Pochettino jumped ship, it led to "the first Exodus" last summer, we all wondered - not just what we would do - but how they would fare. With the departure of Lambert, Lallana, Lovren and Shaw, many pessimists saw us for the drop, but we ended up with our best ever Prem.season, whilst they all fell by the wayside in one way or another. Pochettino's first season at Spurs might have been his last, had it not been for Harry Kane's goal burst that kept them in the top half, whilst his £ multi-million team-mates couldn't find the net for toffee. This season Spurs fans cling to the "glory" of his success, whilst Harry K. struggles to find the net - and even mistakes it for his own. Spurs don't over-impress so far - but the jury is still out whilst MP continues to point arrows at his players and make them walk through fire. The real key to success it seems is to take a struggling side, and bring in your own players and form them into your own team (ala Koeman and Pardew.) Success in one side isn't an automatic recommendation for you to repeat the exercise with any club on the Planet. There are many problems along the way. Not least the problem of " inheriting " players, who successful with one team are a disaster with the next; Bent, Carroll and Torres and good examples of such. If a player doesn't fit the system he won't succeed under any manager. In buying both Lambert and Lallana....Rodgers failed to realise that the real success of these two - was to play them together, as it was, they were seldom on the pitch at the same time. Two more careers down the drain. We won't dwell on Lovren - whose success was based on his partnership with Jose Fonte - and not his own " talent " - (if indeed we should use that word for him). Whilst struggling clubs look to bring in "old heads" like Allardyce, Redknapp and Advocaat, what they want are new visionary coaches who can take them to the next level - after he 's saved them from relegation. Liverpool, a team we all associated with British players (and once supplied 7 players to an England team) now struggles to find form with a multi-national squad who know nothing of the " Shankly legend " and what followed. The rumoured introduction of Klopp may bring an influx of German players and further strengthen the quality of their national team, whilst Roy Hodgson (or his eventual successor) will continue to scour the benches of lower -placed Prem. clubs - seeking those players... who have an English birth certificate. Everyone wants " success " but can anyone really spend £100K /week?...and whilst Wayne Rooney can afford to spend £150K on a new kitchen, in reality it only represents half-a-week's work for him ...on his £15 million year salary. Money is too big a pull for many players who fall foul of greedy agents who tell them ... " you are worth more than this "... and get them to move on ...to imminent failure. The MLT's of this world (who were happy to play every week for a quite reasonable living wage) are few and far between nowadays, and managers and players wanting a higher level - would do well to heed the words of Clint Eastwood (in his Dirty Harry character) ....A Man should know his limitations. Brendan Rodgers may have learned one thing, that something more important than his bank balance has taken a big knock - it's his pride.

not entirely unexpected, but rather soon than I thought ......

...we are all assuming that Forster will come back as good as he was, whereas a good Prem. side needs at least TWO keepers with good international experience. We could do worse than sign him permanently next summer, and let them fight it out for the No. 1 keeper spot.

...there wasn't much wrong with " the quality " of them when they were with Saints.. .(even Lovren)..for a while there. The main difference was that they were part of a team at SMS, at Anfield they are just shirt numbers he picks out of a hat before each match day.

.....Did he ever have ...a prime? Didn't make it at Chelsea or any of the other clubs he was loaned to.....a nice fella', but maybe ..just not up for it ?

as a matter of interest Whitey..what was your opinion of the ref 's performance? ...(had you been an FA adjudicator at Stamford Bridge....) I thought the Saints' " bookings" were a bit trivial considering what one or two of the home players got away with.

I think by that time in the game, the ref. had caught the drift of things. I noted some Chelsea fans (the ugliest in the Prem. in a recent survey ).were going ballistic because they thought the ball was outside the quadrant, but the ref. made it clear that he was satisfied with the placement and the ball position was acceptable.