Smirking_Saint

Jesus christ, are you lot deliberately misinterpreting what I have said ?

As soon as I saw the pictures years ago I decided it was probably a bit silly considering what has happened in the past. And whelk, Im not proposing that material such as that should be banned. Its up to them as individuals to decide where the line is. All I am saying is that retaliation cant really be seen as surprising.

Then what are you argueing about ?

Again, Im not criticising the publications freedom to publish as they wish, thats up to them as an organisation and as human beings. But just as it is your right to call the biggest bully in the playground a pig ignorant ***** Id certainly say it was ill advised. You are more than welcome to say that is brave, Id say it was foolish.

Im not talking about the articles Im talking about mocking the prophet, which Brave or not was certainly ill advised. Lets not pretend Im campaigning against freedom of speech, Im not.

He hasnt had an approach yet, it would be foolish to comment on something that isnt likely to happen. Like it or not if Barca come knocking I fully expect him to take it and wouldnt blame him. He isnt going to come out and say 'Id take it if offered' before an approach is made through fear of upsetting the fan base.

Its an arguement that isnt really there, or trotted out by those that dont understand

There was no chance they would have taken free speech away with or without a mocking reference to the prophet mohamed. Some may call him brave and some would call him stupid. It wasnt needed, certainly, as I said before, after the danish comic incident.

Classic pap

Of course it wasnt deserved, but what they did was certainly ill advised, especially in the wake of the danish comics. The unfortunate side effect of free speech is the possibility of retailiation. Ill accept that you'll callme an idiot but there is a possibility if you continue to offend ill punch you in the face. The problem is CH poked a very angry bear where islamic extremism is concerned. Certainly these people are abhorant (the extremists that is) but they clearly wanted a valid target and decided CH was one. Especially after the threats from IS and Al Quaida. That doesnt of course, make things just or excused. Terrorism in its nature generally appears as small, hard to anticipate attacks that aim to change the way people live their lives. France need to resist that, but more importantly we need to resist a widespread anti islamic canpaign as in the whole that will make matters worse.

You really are something special Better go to sleep before mummy ad daddy realise your up

There is arguably an equal evil rearing its head in germany right now as was apparant with the marches in Dresden etc. Ok, its not so religiously charged as the Islamic extremists are but it is still effectively a religious group denouncing another religious group. (Stereotype alert)Personally I think its all about education, we are generally more tolerant as a society compared to many islamic societies towards other ways of life and I think its because we are more educated. There are however three things that control radicalisation; Oppression (or the belief of such) - As is apparant in Germany(past and present scarily), possibly in factions such as the EDL and in islamic factions such as IS etc. Impressionable characters - Who I suggest tend to be more mentally fragile or less educated IMO. Can be convinced that they are being oppressed. Fear - IS and factions such as the original Nazi's were good at this, effectively threatening people to see things there way.

In all honesty you cant. There is a conceivable threat that there could be a retaliative attack on mosques or worse etc from christian groups. Unfortunately its so difficult to police. Personally I think that certain immigration should be curtailed, to a degree, but thats a different situation. Effectively banning Islam will, IMO, have a greater effect of pushing practising islamists into the arms of the extremists. The only real way is to effectively brush it off and not change as a society. Removing the right to follow a religion etc will be more damaging to our rights of freedom then it will be effective at stopping extremism

The flipside to that is that it creates extreme ideology, insular societies and distrust between different religious groups and in some cases encourages violence (and lets be honest that is the case of both Christianity and Islam) There is no right or wrong answer, I am deeply Athiest, does that mean I am going to chastise people for believing in something that is so very unlikely ? No, everyone is entitled to their beliefs rightly or wrongly. The truth of the matter is there is a black and white in everything. For all the good religion brings there is bad. Religious extremism isnt anything new, and as barbaric as the shootings are it probably isnt anywhere near as barbaric as history suggests. Clamping down on islam isnt the answer, as others have said before there was no clamping down on christianity due to the rise of neo-nazism or the breivik incident. Tolerence needs to be applied on both sides.

Thank the lord

We could buy someone very good in a position we actually need for that money

It was all going well untill you mentioned Hermandez in the hole....

Even Jovetic on his day can be a great player but yes, saying Dzeko isnt a similar player to Pellè is odd. But then SRL is the only target man in europe ?!?

Exactly

As good as Matic is, and he is better than Morgan you pay a premium for Prem players. I think its more like 30m personally

Ive commented that just maybe a deal could be done if Bony went to City. If he played for us for 6 months im sure he could do damage to Citys rivals, highly unlikely but not out of the realms of possible. Permanent ? No chance at all

True but I thought exactly the same, should bony go there then the obvious two in frane for the chop are jovetic or dzeko, both I think would be excellent for us if available and possibly City would like to get them to someone like us to help harm other teams

Dzeko on loan then

Choices choices I suppose. Personally I wouldnt want to go out with someone 30 years my senior but there you go

I dont know, whether it was to 'keep' the players signed or otherwise, either way it sounds reasonably serious