Smirking_Saint

No I believe the Sell on fee stacks. Atleast thats what Ive seen reported before by the Athletic for instance, so if he goes to City for a £40m fee they ‘get’ 20% (or whatever the agreed fee is) Of course Id like to keep him, but realistically 50m isn’t a huge sum for a player of his talents, Ive said before, with modern tactics there are very few clubs at the highest of tables that can function without an elite No.6 and Lavia is on his way to being one Casemiro transformed Utd for instance Fabinho’s regression has had a huge impact on Liverpool Arsenal/Chelsea are just not the same without Partey/Kante Lavia will likely be a top level no.6 if he carries on this trajectory, and I think he’ll have a few suiters. Namely Chelsea, Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool and possibly abroad

200k is a reasonable sum for both parties although arguably more Swansea who I imagine are the ones digging in heels TBH from what Ive read he’s already been doing a bit of work so I imagine its all formality tbh

In terms of the values of his compensation packages Im only summising, from things Ive read, mainly from Nixon Its reported to be about 800k for prem and half that for the Championship We were officially a premier league club, as far as any legal paperwork is concerned, until the official end of the season, not entirely sure when that date is but I ‘think’ it was yesterday

My understanding is, the sell on clause is already active but the buy back isn’t until next year So… the point I was making is if we were only offered a maximum of 40m this year the landscape doesn’t change much… so do we try to keep him for a promotion push knowing the fee’s would be largely the same next year ? Or do we cash in ? A lot depends on finances and player agitating too of course Id say he’s pretty well sought after, there just isn’t too many young DMs showcasing his level of ability Edit - Im saying £35m because it will be the 20% on top of the £40m buy back, which makes it £32m (but im not sure on the sell on clause)

This is true, but the point still is, we stand to lose him for £35m (of course if City want him) when we could potentially sell for £40m+ this year An offer at £50m and its a definite sell imo, I suppose there is a conversation to be had around £40m ? Do we ask him to stay a year ? Can we get a years loan back in the deal ?

Except its not a turn of events at all. They’re just waiting for us to officially be a Championship club so they can save 400k

Pretty much If we miss promotion then there are genuine financial conversations that need to be had, although naturally I think we’ll again lose more through agents/players wanting out Miss it two years in a row and we’ll need sales or investment

No… we’re selling him because next year he can go to City for about 35m so makes sense to cash in now

Yeah I think there is a need but a lot is because our squad is ridiculously bloated It was more aimed at those that thought we’d have to have a huge cut price firesale.. we won’t, we’ll likely get decent money for anybody that leaves, it’s unlikely we’ll be forced into a sale for anybody that doesn’t down tools imo JWP we’ll let leave… for the right price, Lavia has plenty of suiters. Salisu is possibly the only obvious cut price deal due to his contractual situation

Ahh yeah, definitely possible

Id say its hard to find anything to disagree with here but this is Saintsweb so can’t wait to hear the grumbles 😂

Im not kidding myself, Im saying what Ive heard and that is, to an extent, backed by the actual noises coming out of the club/athletic… that we are comfortable with not only the debt but with the cost of relegation Debt - I believe the situation is that this is factored into the purchase of the club, the reason its not been cleared is due to the early repayment fee applied when it was restructured Relegation - We have significant relegation clauses in many contracts, up to as much as 40% that will significantly reduce the impact, we are also, committed to bouncing back at the first opportunity and so will likely spend to replace whoever we lose To be honest we’re likely to lose JWP, Lavia, Salisu, Perraud, KWP, Ely, ABK at the very least and we aren’t at Leicester’s levels of being financially crippled so need a firesale (not just because of relegation btw, their ownership is skint) and as such thats likely 120m / 350k p/w savings at very modest calcs If course, if we fail at the first attempt we’ll have to start having hard conversations as a club but not yet Watford, Norwich, Burnley (to a level), Newcastle etc all didn’t need to have huge firesales… nor do we

He’s not going to City

Realistically they are almost a carbon copy of us but at different levels Upwardly mobile club that loses their rich owner who was central to feel good feeling in the club etc… replaced by family members who do not have the same bug, finances begin to tank and the club starts replacing stars with younger imports that don’t work out

Basically what I said earlier, both poor keepers but I think Baz is just young and out of form McCarthy just doesn’t have much going for him, an ok shot stopper but pretty poor in his other areas Baz ‘may’ be ok in the Championship but Id be a lot more comfortable with the pressure taken off his young shoulders

We have relegation clauses on, certainly most of the Gao days signings, not as sure on the SR ones but would be mad not too I honestly don’t think we’re as desperate, financially, as the likes of Leicester and even Leeds We’ll of course sell a great number, but Im not sure its due to starring at financial oblivion yet

I can wholeheartedly agree with this too tbf

For someone that has a lot of pops at the twitter youngsters you talk an incredible amount of shite James

I think I agree with this tbh, pretty much how I see it I do think it was avoidable this year but too much happened too soon, there was just far too many changes both in the backroom and on the pitch…. We spent good money, but as is a running theme over the last 5 years or so, our signings that HAD to impact the team immediately were very very poor.. we DESPERATELY needed a striker, we failed… All three manager decisions were a disaster one way or another too… they have to get it right this year and have a real go, anything outside of the playoffs is unnacceptable to me and even then it will depend on spend etc Yup… completely agree, Jones was never a good fit, at all, pretty much within the first couple of weeks there were whispers from the training ground that all was not well, not only did he fail from a PR perspective in yhe media but he got it wrong with the players too, whether it was training or his relationship Letting the team go on holiday too was a HUGE mistake, not sure exactly who signed that off but for me, we needed to get the squad galvanised and working towards the new tactical plans… we didn’t, and in the end it was a shit show…. I don’t agree with the changing of tactics every five minutes too, that doesn’t show me he is confident of what he is doing at all in fact it shows me he was flapping in the dugout as frantically as he was infront of the camera Metrics DO have a huge place in the game these days… but theres more to it than that, you need to do a proper assessment, and clearly we didn’t Selles ? Ive said before I think theres a good coach in there, and potentially a good manager, his appointment made a bit more sense to me but of course it turned out to be a huge mistake, I think in part he was just too close to the players as well as attempting to be far too passive

Plays their system too

The more Ive read on twitter and this forum is that the majority of football fans now are completely out of touch with reality, wanting them gone already… even though I think if we’d of remained under Gao this would/could be the end of us, or atleast our top table tenure… or would you rather have had a situation such as Leicester ? Seeing a managed decline of a club that has recently been in the Champions League? SR aren’t perfect, I do think they heavily dropped the ball, I do have close links with the club and did hear, as backed up by The Athletic that it got to a point where the boardrooms (new/old) were too far apart, I do however 100% agree that Rasmus and whoever advised him made far too many bad decisions, as well as Semmens… it felt like they bounced footballing decisions between the two boards instead of sorting this pre season We’re a fucking mess, but I have optimism that we are in the process of addressing this, Wilcox, hopefully, will enable us to build a footballing department that is focused and united, the proof of course will always be in the pudding of course, but it seems like, fir now, we have an ownership commitment to get us back up at the first time of asking and I feel we have to trust that… the other clubs that went down ? Leeds will likely have an ownership change this year so it remains to be seen where they end up Leicester have no money I honestly struggle to understand what some people want to be honest

He’s been with the Welsh FA this weekend but should be around soon I think

Us or Leeds I think we’ll see Leicester be taken apart and im not sure how financially able they are to rebuild Big draw though due to their recent history, Vardy will almost certainly stay and barring injuries would have a field day in the champ

Agree with the sentiments but I’d be absolutely shocked if Lavia is here come the start of the season let alone end of the transfer window, Perraud is likely gone too The rest of that 11 Im not sure but its a solid championship team with the right additions

What are you suggesting exactly?