SaintJackoInHurworth

There seems to be a lot of confusion on this thread and part of it boils down to a failure to understand some simple economics, so as I have an economics degree perhaps I can help... There are two issues here: * What is his value to the purchaser? - Many are saying Morgan is not worth a certain fee because clubs wouldn't be prepared to pay that much. This is true but it fails to acknowledge the other key factor... * What is his value to the seller? - Others are pointing out (correctly) that Saints will not sell at a price that is below his value if he stays. Now here's the key thing to note: A sale will only be made at or above the point that a seller is prepared to sell and a buyer is prepared to buy. So, most importantly, we need to understand what influences a club's willingness to sell a player. Here are a list of possible influences: 1. The player's age - beyond a certain age their value will fall, before a certain age a player's value will generally rise. 2. The player's ability and experience - obviously! 3. The importance of the player to the club. 4. The replacement cost of a player - i.e. what would it cost to buy a player to replace the player if he were to be sold? 5. The length of the player's remaining contract - a player's value will drop significantly the closer they get to the few final months of a contract (though that player's ability to negotiate higher wages for himself may also rise as a result!) 6. The player's disciplinary record. 7. The player's relationship with the manager and the rest of the team - i.e. could he adversely affect the team performance because he has fallen out with his manager or team-mates. 8. The player's loyalty/commitment - if he wants away this could again adversely affect the rest of the team by unsettling them. 9. The club's wealth and it's need to raise finance to buy other players - a wealthy club is less likely to need to sell a player than one which needs to sell in oder to raise the finance to purchase other players. Now, on most of these points I would argue that Morgan's value would be raised. The only doubt that exists lies in point 8. If Morgan wishes to leave strongly enough and if it is perceived that this is liable to unsettle the whole squad then this could reduce the amount at which the club would be prepared to sell him. Nevertheless, the other points and especially point 4 will ensure that, assuming Cortese knows what he is doing, if Morgan is sold he will not be sold at anything less than a highly demanding fee. If a lower offer is received, Cortese can simply turn round and point out how little that other club valued him and that Saints valued him more highly! For this reason, while we may feel that Morgan's value based simply on ability and experience would not be as high as some other players, when taking account of other factors and especially the time remaining on his contract, the club should be able to demand a fairly high fee to other clubs - of a level that will put off most (if not all) other clubs. I would argue that there is a big disparity between what many clubs would be willing to pay for Morgan and the price at which Saints would be prepared to let him go and that consequently we will not sell him.

"Southampton have bid 20m € for Leandro Damiao, according to Sky Italy. Meeting set in next days." - ccording to Tancredi Palmer, Italian football pundit - CNN italian sports correspondent and Gazzetta dello Sport contributor.

I'm just hoping as others have said that this is an elaborate wind-up. The fact that the badge on the 'home shirt' is skewed gives me hope that it is a hoax. Also the fact that the logos, etc. are all in gold makes them look like transfer stickers that someone has just stuck onto some training tops or kit-wear that they have got hold of from somewhere. I suspect if they had been in all white they would have looked even more like transfer stickers, so I reckon if I were wanting to mock up a hoax kit, running with gold logos, etc. would be more effective than anything else, unless I was prepared to go to some expense. If this turns out to genuinely be the Saints kit, then I shall know it as the 'Gullible Saints Kit' as anyone who is prepared to buy it must be incredibly gullible! That having been said, it is possibly not the worst and most un-Saints-like Saints kit ever - that award must go to last season's abomination of a Liverpool/Forest 1980's kit (which is what I will continue to call it whenever I refer to it!) SAVE OUR STRIPES!!!! Here's hoping for good news in the morning that it is a hoax!

So... just to return to this thread which seems to have gone quiet lately... any news on Banega? I notice that this French website lists the transfer of Banega to Southampton as being under discussion: http://www.football.fr/football/espagne/mercato-foot.html (or does 'on en parle' mean 'people are talking about it' i.e. it's a rumour?) I also notice (and I am sure this must have been mentioned elsewhere) that there is some discrepancy as to when his contract is up for renewal. Goal.com suggest that his contract expires on 30 June 2013 - i.e. this coming Sunday, whereas Sky Sports have previously reported that his contract runs until 2015: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11837/7441959/Banega-signs-new-deal Personally, I think he looked phenomenal on the video footage (and yes I know that SDR looked very good on YouTube too, but this video showed more than a player making a few mazy runs!) and if he is as good as he looks I hope we will be announcing we have signed him very soon! Unfortunately, I know nothing to suggest that we will!

Ok - it's taken ages to read all of today's posts about Wanyama and I have come to the following conclusions: * He is a good player and will probably do a job for us in midfield if we sign him. I will be pleased to see him sign for us rather than Cardiff. * He is not as good as Banega. * I'm puzzled why we are concentrating on signing a player in a position in which we are relatively quite strong (Cork, Schneiderlin, Davis, JWP) * Nevertheless he would add strength in depth to the squad. * £10-12M + extras is maybe a lot to pay to just add strength in depth. * What do we know? We are not the experts! * This signing (if he is signed) needs to be put in the context of all our transfers this summer and we may not see its full realisation straight away. * Wanyama's agent doesn't have a clue or is going in deliberately very high in the knowledge that Southampton do not pay much to agents (maybe he will end up with £200k, but by Saints standards that is huge!) We will have to wait and see. It will be great if we sign him (just purely for the fact of another quality player on the books) but I suspect it won't be the end of the world if we don't!

I was born in Southampton and grew up in Hythe but as a child I had no problem with Pompey. In fact through listening to Radio Solent I actually stuck up for all the south's teams to do well, but especially Southampton of course! However, having moved away from the area when I was ten I came back to the city for university and I shared a flat with three others in my third year including a Pompey fan. His continual over-the-top banter drove me mad. I didn't hate the guy - he was still a friend, but I loathed his support for Pompey and thus I came to dislike Pompey with a venom too. Having said all of that, I think the hatred that some people have for Pompey goes too far and is very dangerous. Worse than that, such hatred for them only makes us like them. If we really think their attitude to us stinks (and it usually does) then lets show that we are better than them by not stooping to their level. Furthermore, I have to seriously ask some fans which is more important to them: 1. That Pompey fail. 2. That Southampton succeed. To me it seems that some fans have got to a stage where they would rather Pompey fail than that we succeed. That is not supporting Saints - that is anti-supporting Pompey! So let's get it sorted and first and foremost, let's support Saints! SO, if we are to be true Saints fans rather than Anti-Pompey fans, our priority must be to sing songs about Saints rather than songs about Pompey. Finally, the song is called "You are my Sunshine, my only sunshine" not "You'll never know dear, how much I love you..." and here are some Southampton supporting words for it (and in particular in support of Luke Shaw): Our left back's Luke Shaw, Only one Luke Shaw, He makes us happy, in every game; A great defender, great going forwards, For sure he is the new Gareth Bale! OK - anyone improve on that?

Judging by that he might well be better than Skacel or De Ridder...! Also judging by that (and more seriously) I would be incredibly shocked (to the point of delirious delight) if we sign him... at least until we discover that for all his all-round potential in practice he is woefully inconsistent and rarely performs to that standard! However, I think it has got to be a mere pipe dream - surely?! If he really is as good as that video suggests (and there is certainly enough evidence on there to suggest that those were not just isolated lucky moments) then I really do hope that MC will astound us and pull-off what could be our greatest signing since Keegan!

You are right - though it was of course 1978 that Saints were promoted. My recollection was that it was a 0-0 draw as it was the first game I ever saw, but having checked my facts, I was wrong. So, yes, 1-1! Over to you...!

OK - think that's well gone 15 minutes... This season having been promoted, we witnessed a poor QPR side get relegated. However, when we were last promoted to the top flight in 1977, a QPR side featuring Rodney Marsh were one of the best teams in England. What was the score between Saints and QPR in the home fixture at The Dell that season? (NB I'm only a registered user so I will only respond if someone gets the right answer - or else, Colin, email me at jacko_neil@yahoo.com)

I agree with much of what has been said on this thread, although I think some comments are a bit unfair in their treatment of aging players. In particular, I don't think Idiakez was that bad for us at first. However, many people are clearing remembering his form towards the end of his time with us when he had completely lost it. Idiakez is not the only player to whom this applies. On another note, I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned 'Arry on this thread yet! I think that most of his signings were a complete disaster. Try Callum Davenport, Mikael Nilsson, Andreas Jakobsson, Jelle Van Damme, Jamie Redknapp and Olivier Bernard. Maybe you could give some credit for Henri Camara and Nigel Quashie, though not much. Ricardo Fuller may also have been a Redknapp signing - I'm not sure. For a whole load of other players, check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Southampton_F.C._players_%28fewer_than_25_appearances%29 and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Southampton_F.C._players_%2825%E2%80%9399_appearances%29. Not all of the players on those lists were rubbish - some were so good that they didn't stay with us long (e.g. AOC, Theo and Bale). Yet there are also plenty of players on those lists that were poor for us.

Just to revisit this thread briefly, I also thought that it was sad that we were releasing Reeves and Hoskins. I remember in particular Hoskins work-rate when he came on as a sub for what must have been his first team debut last season (away at Forest if my memory serves me right - but don't quote me on it!) My surprise at the sale of Hoskins was compounded this evening when I noticed that he had won the U21 goal of the season award at this year's awards dinner. Here's the video of the goal that won him this award:

Isn't that more the case for Tadanari Lee? He just got an extra 6 points to add to the 6 he's already earned.

I met Kelvin and his kids in the Saints Megastore a couple of years ago. I was with my wife and daughters at the time. I didn't like to hassle him while he was with his kids, so didn't say anything, but from what I observed he seemed a normal down-to-earth kind of guy. My kids were too young to know any different at the time and my wife not sufficiently into football, so I told them once we got outside. We bought a couple of Saints monkeys while we were in the shop. The smaller one which attaches to the car window we called Kelvin in honour of seeing him while we were in the shop, while the other one we called Kevin, partly because it's a similar name to Kelvin, but mainly because my older daughter was being grumpy that day and didn't want to call her monkey Kelvin but preferred to call it Kevin instead (just because...!) My main point is that I'm sure Kelvin is a nice guy and he has always seemed very committed to the club. I've been pleased that he has stayed with the club and not moved on as it would be a real hassle to change the names of the monkey. PS Unlike some (numerous?) posts in this thread, every word I have written is absolutely true.

Some people on here just need to get a life! People are divided about this song - not liking that we forever sing about Pompey, but wanting a song that lauds Pochettino; liking some of the words of this song, complaining about others. So I simply (or perhaps complicatedly!) made an attempt to suggest an alternative and all you haters can do is to criticise my efforts. At the same time, others have pointed out that we are forever copying other team's songs so I have suggested a few ideas for songs that could easily be adapted for the terraces - but again all you can do is criticise. If you guys are so clever, why don't you try coming up with something that genuinely sings support for our team, our players, our town, our manager, etc. instead of criticising the efforts of others?! There is a long tradition every summer of people suggesting new songs to improve the dross that is sung on the terraces. I was simply continuing that tradition. If you don't like my suggestions then come up with your own instead of making small-minded put-downs that, as far as I can see, suggest you have nothing more than the intellect of a Pompey fan. Alternatively, if you don't like the sorts of things that are discussed on forums, then go out and get a life and stop criticising those of us that do enjoy discussing such things. I can't believe how critical and small-minded some people are becoming on here. No wonder some tried to introduce some sort of moderation to the forum a few years ago. I am beginning to think that they may have been wiser than I realised at the time.

I have commented on this song on another thread where I pointed out that there are several slightly different versions of this song going around - largely because like the OP no-one can make out what is being sung! Personally, I agree with the sentiment that I would rather sing about Saints than about some naff fourth division club with a fat bare-bellied prat of a fan who stirs up unnecessary hatred across the south coast. I would suggest that we need alternative words for the song depending upon who we are playing. So, for example: Playing Norwich Is that what it's like to be Norwich, always boring yellow and green? You've got Delia, we've got Pochettino, Pochettino! Playing West Ham Is that what it's like to be West Ham, long balls and boring football? You've got Big Fat Sam, we've got Pochettino, Pochettino! Playing Sunderland Is that what it's like to be Sund'land, supporting the BNP? You've got a fascist boss, we've got Pochettino, Pochettino! etc... I also think we can create some new songs based on tunes that no-one else has yet thought to use. So, for example, while we have already got a perfectly good Adam Lallana song (pinched I guess from another club and another player) I have previously suggested it would be quite funny and different to sing a song for Lalland based on the old Smurfing song: La-la-la-la-la-la-la-Lallana, La-la-la-la-la-la-la-Lallana, La-la-la-la-la-la-la-Lallana, Lallana! La-la-la-la-la-la-la-Lallana, La-la-la-la-la-la-la-Lallana, La-la-la-la-la-la-la-Lallana, Lallana! For those that don't know or remember it, check it out on YouTube: - you need to listen to the refrain from about 25 seconds until 1 minute 9 seconds! Here are a few other songs that I am surprised we do not sing, either in their original form or with some adapted lyrics: Us Against The World, Coldplay - simply sing the second verse and chorus as they are or change some bits of it: The tightrope that I'm walking just sways and ties The devil as he's talking with those angel's eyes And I just want to be there when the lightning strikes And the Saints go marching in And sing slow-ow-ow-ow it down Through chaos as it swirls It's us against the world The Saints Are Coming, The Skids (also recently covered by U2 and Green Day) The Saints are coming, the Saints are coming I say no matter how I try, I realize there's no reply The Saints are coming, the Saints are coming I say no matter how I try, I realize there's no reply The Saints of Los Angeles, Motley Crue (Change Los Angeles to Southampton of course plus a few other cosmetic changes!) We are...we are the saints We signed our life away Doesn't matter what you think We're gonna do it anyway We are...we are the saints One day you will confess And Pray to the saints of Los Angeles. Finally, here are a few songs that could all be adapted to create some great terrace songs: Paradise - Coldplay (And it's Gaston, Gaston Ramirez, oh it's Gaston, Gaston Ramirez...!) Every Teardrop is a Waterfall - Coldplay (Our secret weapon is Jay Rodriguez!) Imagine - John Lennon (Imagine there's no defence, it's easy if you try???!!! - hopefully taunting the opponents rather than highlighting our own shortcomings!) Clown - Emeli Sande (We've got Luke Shaw, out on the pitch...) Maybe - Emeli Sande (Jack Cork, taking the ball out of defence, giving it out to the forwards, he's gotta be England class...?) Breaking The Law - Emeli Sande (I'll never stop following Southampton!) Read All About It - Emeli Sande (I wanna sing, I wanna shout, I wanna follow Southampton, no doubt...) Beneath You're Beautiful - Labrinth/Emeli Sande (and at right back - it's great to see Nathaniel Clyne (repeat)... shrug them off now boy, etc.) Overjoyed - Bastille ('Oh I feel overjoyed to see the Saints are climbing up the Premier League...') Oblivion - Bastille ('cos we're going to follow Saints' instead of 'are you going to age with grace?' and 'Southampton' instead of 'Oblivion', etc. Sowing the Seeds of Love - Tears For Fears (Supporting Southampton, Southampton... supporting South-ampton!) Shout - Tears For Fears (Shout, Shout, let it all out, We are the Saints and there ain't no doubt, come on...!) Man on The Moon - REM ('Would you believe, we're are Premier League, Premier League...' or similar) Ignoreland - REM (Just substitute 'Southampton' or a players name for 'Ignoreland' - dead simple!) Find The River - REM ('We have got Gaston Ramirez...') My Beloved Monster - Eels (My beloved Saints and Me, we go everywhere together...) Anyway, that's just a few suggestions...!!

So... if all the EPL games will be shown in detail in the US, I guess that means there is some hope of finding some fairly decent game highlights online each week if I happen to miss MOTD?

And back to the issue of Stoke City... with Pulis sacked I wonder if they could slide down the table into relegation trouble. While their style of play has not been pretty it has kept an average side in the Premier League for several seasons on a limited budget. If they are looking for a more attractive style of football you have to wonder whether they will be able to deliver the results in the light of their limited budget. Personally, I am hopeful that with Pulis gone we might find playing Stoke a different proposition next season. If they try to play a more attractive style of football I believe that would suit us down to the ground - we do much better against ball-playing sides than against those that employ strong arm tactics and the long ball (though I am not suggesting that is all that there has been to Stoke's game - but it has been a significant part of it).

From what I could hear on Saturday at Sunderland, there seem to be several different versions of this song going round all with very slightly different words. Here are a couple of others: That's what it's like to be Pompey That's what it's like to be poor You sign Whittingham, we sign Pochettino, Pochettino, Pochettino OR Guess that's what it's like to be Pompey Guess that's what it's like to be poor You sign Whittingham, we sign Pochettino, Pochettino, Pochettino OR Guess what it's like to be Pompey Guess what it's like to be poor You sign Whittingham, we sign Pochettino, Pochettino, Pochettino Of those, I personally prefer the one in bold even though it's quite hard to get the words in! That having been said, I would prefer one that didn't focus on Pompey at all - why worry about some tin pot club in League 2? I would like some more positive words about Saints: This is what it's like to be Saints now, Moving up the Premier League Signing lots of players with our manager Pochettino, Pochettino, Pochettino!

hmmm - wonder if Paolo might use half time to encourage Sunderland to try some continental tactics - i.e. trying to get Stoke players rattled to get someone sent off. If so we could end up seeing a card-fest with both teams losing players fro the end of the season. That could well be to our advantage - though we usually do worse against teams who are under-strength because of injuries and sendings off!

Here are my predictions for the bottom of the table matches together with my final table when I used the BBC predictor for all fixtures: Fulham Liverpool (H) 1-2 Swansea (A) 0-1 Villa Chelsea (H) 1-2 Wigan (A) 1-1 Stoke Suinderland (A) 1-2 Spurs (H) 1-2 Saints (A) 0-2 Saints Sunderland (A) 1-1 Stoke (H) 2-0 Norwich WBA (H) 1-1 Man City (A) 0-2 Newcastle QPR (A) 0-0 Arsenal (H) 0-2 Sunderland Stoke (H) 2-1 Saints (H) 1-1 Spurs (A) 0-2 Wigan Swansea (H) 2-1 Arsenal (A) 0-2 Villa (H) 1-1 Prediction: Of course, if we lose to Sunderland it could be a bit different, but either way, even if we lose both remaining fixtures we should still be safe - if only on goal difference! In terms of the teams who are at real risk of relegation I think it is probably too close to call between Newcastle, Norwich and Wigan.... If Newcastle beat QPR they should be safe. If Norwich beat West Brom, they too should be safe. This would leave Wigan needing to beat Aston Villa for safety Incidentally, only if those three things happen and we lost both our remaining fixtures would we be anything but safe! In fact just a single draw should be enough to at least finish above Aston Villa on goal difference (unless you think Villa will get anything out of the game against Chelsea!)

As someone who lives up north and therefore rarely gets to a home game - only matches away, I can assure you that our away support is generally excellent. What some of you were discovering is how much better our support is away from home than it is at home. I think the reason for this is that it is generally the more (openly) passionate supporters who make the effort to travel to away games and so you get a whole load of them crammed together and together they make a great noise. At home it is very different as the noisy support is diluted by those that are quieter supporters - who may be just as passionate (before I get criticized for suggesting any different!) but express their support in a less openly passionate way. I think you will find that this is a common trait amongst football supporters with away fans frequently out-singing the home fans, or certainly appearing to do so.

I didn't forget Norwich - there didn't seem much point including them as I am pretty sure they will get at least two points. Hopefully we can finish above them still, but I am not as confident of that as I am that we will not be relegated.

There seem to be a lot of doom and gloom merchants around at the moment, so, let me humour you a moment... what if we lost every single game that remains this season... where would we finish? Let's think about the other teams below us... 1. Wigan - do you think they could get the eight points they would need to finish above us with their fixtures? WBA (A), Swansea (H), Arsenal (A), Aston Villa (H) - where are they going to get 8 points from those games?!! I would say they could get six or seven points at most - and that would depend on beating Villa. 2. Newcastle - they would only need 3 points to finish above us. Easy? Let's see: W.Ham (A), QPR (A) and Arsenal (H). OK, they might get them against QPR - but then again the way the Toon are playing at the moment, maybe not! 3. Villa - after tonight surely they will go on a big run to safety? Or will they...? They also need 3 points to finish above us: Norwich (A), Chelsea (H), Wigan (A). Well, ok, they might beat Norwich, but they might draw or might go complacent after tonight and get beaten. Norwich will want to prove something to Lambert. Chelsea - no chance! Wigan? Well, if they win that one, I refer you to my comments about Wigan above. 4. Sunderland - demoralising defeat tonight and no Sessegnon for the rest of the season: Stoke (H), Saints (H), Spurs (A) - They might pick themselves up and beat Stoke, but I can't see them getting anything at Spurs. So, to finish above us they must at least get a draw against us. If they don't beat Stoke they must beat us. So, despite tonight, it is certainly still possible for them to get clear of relegation - but I bet you won't find many Sunderland fans declaring that confidence tonight! In other words.. even if we lose every game (and I don't for a moment think we will!) there are a whole load of ifs and buts for other teams to finish above us and for us therefore to get relegated. SO, take it easy guys.. we are not in danger of getting relegated! Sit back, enjoy the rest of the season - enjoy the possibility that we could surprise everyone and beat the Spuds (I doubt it, but who knows?!); enjoy the possibility of getting a win or draw at Sunderland and leaving them looking anxiously over their shoulders!... and hopefully we can then complete the season with a nice home win for the fans against Stokehampton - and leave them with no doubts that for all the ex-Saints players they have had on their books over the past few seasons they have only ever been a pale imitation of what the Saints are set to become!

It was shame that we sent him out on loan and kept seaborne last season. There was one time in the season when we were defensively short and Martin would have been able to do a job for us, but wasn't there to be able to take his chance. He was definitely a quality League 1 player and could some day, with more experience, become a decent Championship defender. He could potentially even make it one day in the EPL.

I agree with you there and I am surprised that no-one else has said it. It was nevertheless petulant and possibly worth a card. Put that together with him pushing one of the West Brom players just afterwards and I would concede there remains a strong argument to say that the ref was right to send him off. Of the three red cards given in the match, it was the one that was most debatable. Incidentally, no-one has also pointed out that the West Brom player's challenge for the ball when he was fouled by Fox also had a hint of being two-footed. His foot was certainly off the ground. I suspect if Fox had come in with a one-footed challenge then the West Brom player could have ended up being booked! It doesn't justify Fox's awful challenge though.