Sour Mash

Please tell me you're not really doing that?

Why are you waiting until 5am to get smashed? Just do it during the day like everyone else.

You are joking aren't you?

I've seen Clyne ande Zaha play a few times now and neither have looked amazing. Yeah, got a bit of potential to work with, but hardly the world beaters they're often made out to be.

No-one should be happy with that. Can't see him doing it though. Bit strange that he never ended up at Reading in a coaching role.

I have never, in all my years of going to Saints games, and reading these forums heard our games against Reading being described as a 'Derby'.

You know I'm right lad. I'd say Reading v Fulham less than an hours drive, Tottenham v Chelsea more than an hour. Which one is the derby?

Or Reading v Fulham?

At most times of the day it'd take over an hour to drive from Tottenham to Chelsea. Does that mean that one isn't a Derby?

Why?

On that basis Leeds playing Burnley or Oldham was a local derby? Never heard such games described as that.

What about it? Wigan have been in the Premier League for a number of years now, plenty would still consider them a "noddy club". If we weren't challenging Reading at the top of the league we wouldn't consider them any different from a Swindon, Brentford, Fulham type club. Someone not a million miles away, easy day out, but not a local derby.

So you're saying that any game that is under an hours drive away is a local derby?

I'd suggest that Reading are very much a "noddy" club and the only reason they are on our radar currently is the challange for top spot in this league, similar to Brighton and Bournemouth last season.

So Yeovil is a local derby? And if we were to play Farnborough in an FA Cup tie, that would also be classed as a local derby? Yes Chelsea have their London derbies, Reading have theirs with Swindon and Oxford and we ahve ours with the Skates.

Plus, DellDays says above that I decide what a local derby is.

Our fan base overlaps with Chelsea. They're not that much further than Reading. If we were to play them, would that be a local derby?

Fair enough. I say Saints v Reading isn't a local derby. Decision made.

So why is the phrase "derby" used? Where does that come from? Who decides what is a "local derby" is and on what terms the phrase should be used? Is Reading v Fulham a local derby? Think they're a fair bit closer to Reading than we are.

But is it a "derby" and what constitutes a "derby". The games you've listed there all have a history of hatred and regional rivalry. Can't think of anyone from Southampton that has a dislike of Reading particularly. Guess there is a fair bit of cross-over in places like Basingstoke and Newbury.

Lundekvam as well possibly? Surman ahead of Cork. Not all that much in it really. Also need to do a comparison against the teams we were playing against that season.

Point being that Peterborough wasn't "sold out" or anywhere near close, therefore, just because it may say "sold out" on there, doesn't mean you should take it for certain. I'm pretty sure further tickets popped up for the skates games after the ticket site said "sold out".

Don't be ridiculous. OUr ticket office has been a farce all season and this is just another example of it. I'm surprised people still use/trust the ticket purchasing part of the website to be honest.

It's nice enough, just don't see why people get that excited about it. Can't stand Aussies for a start.

What's the great appeal of Australia? Massively over-rated place.