Lallana's Left Peg

I can only assume the over-reaction in here is due to the disappointment of losing. We played well, and didn't do enough in both boxes. Martin can't make players hit the target or do the basics of defending your own goal. That's down to the quality of player not coaching, the system or anything else. You can argue perhaps he needs a more defensively minded team at times however I've seen us with the ball when we do that and we really create very little as ball retention and progression suffers. On the basis many teams only get belief against us because of how wasteful we are in front of goal, I can't help but feel the Ross Stewart signing not working out has been the primary cause of our downfall this season - more than anything else. There is blame and there are issues elsewhere, but the real lack of a proper striker to take advantage of the chances we create (and we create loads) stresses us everywhere else. And even if you say you can't foresee an injury, we had a chance to do something in Janaury and failed.

I was at the game with a friend who is a professional footballer and has been managed by the likes of Pep Guardiola and Luis Enrique and it was very interesting to hear his comments throughout. For what its worth he thought we were brilliant and unlucky and he loves watching us. His only negative comments were a lack of quality up front and getting tired too early in the second half. I think we're just stuck in a little rut and things aren't clicking but we'll get there. Some players are out of form and its having an impact throughout the team.

There are a few conundrums Martin needs to figure out: 1. If our best form of defence is retaining the ball, then what he does when Downes is missing. Smallbone is half the player without him in the team, and Charles does not have the passing ability. It completely ruins our midfield. 2. Brooks may be one of our best players but it means Adam Armstrong plays up front and he doesn't perform there as well as he does when he starts on the right. 3. Teams are going to attack us now and whilst I don't want Martin to change the way we play at all we need a few answers to keep teams honest when they press us. I don't think he'll ever want the ball to be passed long which is usually a natural counter to a high press so really we need to change our shape a bit in the final third to offer better passing lanes as the ones we have right now have been honed for low blocks and the team seem a little rattled by a high press. It's all fixable 🙂

You just get the feeling that we may be trying to change too much at once and completely mess up our chances of promotion. I understood it would be a process. I understood there was a lot of mentality to change as well. I'm fine with individual errors when they are trying to change what they do and it's alien to some players. I really struggle with a group of players who are paid at the top end of this division showing meekness, lethargy and any sort of lack of cohesion which are all independent of the above. And, for that, the Manager is responsible. He will live and die by his beliefs and I respect that, but it doesn't matter what your beliefs are if your players apply that sort of attitude, and attitude is a reflection of the Manager (or their attitude towards the manager). The fans aren't to blame for having standards. Standards the club has failed to uphold for a few years now. There was plenty of support for the team on Saturday, but as the game went on the away end turned because it seemed the only people in that stadium who wanted to do something about losing were all sat in the stands and not on the pitch. That's unacceptable and our attacking play was fraudulent. EDIT: KWP tried to do something about it. No-one else. And he did something about it by running at players and dribbling, which is off-script for Martin.

The only time we look like making something happen is when a player goes off script. I get there are lots of new players. I get we're trying to instill a new playing system. But we still have enough quality to be creating a lot more. I kind of accept the defensive mistakes as they are doing what the Manager has asked. I have no idea what is going on in the final third and it was only when KWP decided to go for a dribble and liberate the rest of the team that we showed any sort of genuine intent and imagination in the final third.

If he's not going to sign a new deal we're not going to let him walk for free. £15m is a lot of money. It's only stupid if we don't reinvest.

It will take a few months for this team to be consistent at a level we want. Until that time, the extra quality we have over most teams will likely make a difference. It may have been easier to sell some players for less money earlier in the window, but that would be setting some dangerous precedents. Instead, we've had to find the balance between fighting for the right fees and getting the income in within a timely manner so we can still buy the players we want. We'll know if we've done that in a few weeks. If you'd have told me a few months ago that we'd take 4pts out of the first 6 available, look good overall and only crap defending at set pieces was the problem with getting 6pts, and we'd have a total of 50 or so shots in those two league games whilst also getting £130m in for Lavia, JWP, Tino and Salisu I'd be really happy.

It's going to be another three weeks until we know what our squad is for the coming season, and another month after that before we have any idea who our best team is. We'll be up and down until then. Burnley started terribly last season and it turned out ok for them. This is just a dose of reality of a club mid-transformation and having to get used to a lower quality of footballer on the pitch at St Marys. I'm still quite positive about our prospects this season. At least we have a clear identity and some intent.

Grimsby at home in the FA Cup. Much worse, with much better players.

I don't think he cares, hence that team. He will be bothered by the levels of performance though. Way more than the result. It shows the hangover from last season lasts longer than a summer. Some players just need to be elsewhere, like McCarthy. He needs a fresh start.

If Martin cared he wouldn't have played that team. No-one wants to lose a game but at least now: 1. It makes managing a large squad much easier as fringe players failed to turn up in this game 2. Focusing on the league is our priority for obvious reasons 3. The kids can't moan about not being given a chance 4. He is starting to learn who he can trust and who he can't on the pitch, regardless of how they are in the dressing room 5. Defeats like this always sharpen up recruitment when they happen in a transfer window

James Maddison went for £25m. Ollie Watkins went for £34m. Joao Pedro just went for £30m and he's done fuck all at Watford for three years. Said Benrahma went for £24m. Oli McBurnie went for £20m! You can debate how good Tella is, but he was the top goalscorer in the leagues best team last season and also got into the Team of the Season. Given the above, we're not being silly asking for £20m for him. The precedent has set, we're not moving the market by asking for £20m.

Like the way we play but a massive injection of confidence, bravery, or new players and quality is needed in the final third as we build up nicely and then turn into a pub team with little idea of how to play to score goals.

His pace always concerned me but he has a wand of a left foot and if we were to be possession based and if we were to have the lions share of possession next season he'd be brilliant for us.

Just one more loss to go in order to be confirmed as the sixth worse team in the history of the Premier League - can we do it?

I still can't quite get my head around these events: 1. Signed players and stuck with a Manager that they wanted to sack but didn't despite him also playing opposite to their vision. Allowed signed players to be coached into that Hasenhuttl style. 2. Sacked Hasenhuttl and appointed a long ball merchant who is again against the vision. 3. Appointed a DoF to align with vision of possession based football (although he doesn't start until this summer). 4. Sacked long ball merchant and appointed a coach who reverted back to the Hasenhuttl way of playing to try and give us the best chance of staying up. Which makes me wonder...had Jones kept us up, what the fuck would they have done? Sacked him anyway?

But not more means or better players. And that needs to count for attracting a manager in the Championship to give us the best chance of getting out and getting the players onboard.

I keep thinking a game couldn't sum up the state of Saints more than anything else and then we play the next game and stoop to new lows. An absolutely horrendous season in which the only people that will really suffer are the employees of the club that will be made redundant because of the awful decision making at board level and lack of effort at a playing level. I keep thinking we'll do alright in the Championship but then I remember who the clowns are that will make the decision about our next manager.

Sometimes its hard to know if the players are ok and the manager is terrible, or the manager is ok and the players are terrible, and then it dawns on you that both the players and manager is terrible and it all makes sense why we're on course to have the sixth lowest points total in Premier League history.

No clue, no fight, no quality. The note being passed around in the first half was frankly embarrassing. Blow it all up and start again.

Their record transfer fee is irrelevant to us though. If we have a young English player ready to plug into our Championship team who is familiar with the league and was one of the best players in it, then that is worth a lot of money to us. The loan worked out great for both Burnley and Southampton.

I should add, we're not too far away in games on the whole but too often now we've been shown to be unable to piece together a 90min game and a lack of quality in either third makes all the difference. We're rarely outclassed, we just don't have the quality to make a game of small margins ever go in our favour.

Selles approaching the management of the team like we're midtable and he's been told he has a three year contract. Club leadership all over the place. Players either mailing it in or not good enough. Don't wish for relegation - it'll be the same clowns in charge and the only players left will be those others don't want.

£45m of attacking January signings not good enough to get in the team ahead of a Theo Walcott on the verge of retiring 😎

I read that the last time a Southampton striker scored in the league was Che Adams on 12th November. 111 days ago.