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But if only George Bush was taken out as a baby we'd be fine

No I agree totally. I didn't call you an apologist.

And hey I also blame Charlie Hebdo

I am not a fan but again comes back to the apologist approach - hey we're to blame not the the barbaric scum committing the crimes. Weak

Tell me what your view was on dealing with evil despot Assad was? Vacuum or empower?

Yeah you know best I'm sure. Voicing it at the time no doubt.

And total respect to the Kurds. Also Shoot to kill is needed. Fear it is like US high school shootings though. All emotive afterwards the dust settles and nothing changes

Convenient scapegoats. What done is done. As someone else said 9/11 - naive to think this is all caused simplistically. It has caused the vacuum but is not the root cause

There lies the fcking problem. I blame Blair - FFS. Yeah all his fault otherwise these guys would be helping out at youth clubs.

Agreed but equally nauseating when people saying nothing to do with Islam. Clearly it is.

Yeah not always peacefully - you would have loved Chamberlain's approach I am sure.

I don't think actually anyone is point scoring. This is a place for debate Johnny. SOG seems a decent sort but very weak at putting anything across that has substance so leaves himself open to ridicule. Wha happened last night has been on my mind all day so I don't think it is a case of nit being dignified or respectful - I get sad but also very angry.

I don't have solution I'm afraid but coming up with ' war is stupid' or hashtags 'pray4paris' 'we are all french' etc whilst clearly a noble sentiment does not resolve much.. Obviously this will only won by hearts and minds and if there was a way to strike the perpetuators think the nuclear option would even be approved by the majority. Problem is we have too many freedoms to protect whereas a despot needing to deal with such atrocities would round up the bomber's family, friends and just execute them. Unfair but effective. Whereas we put the tricolour on the Wembley arch and everyone retweets and politicians condemn in the strongest terms. Take the snooping legislation - not many might feel it would have been a diabolical liberty for French GCHQ to have intelligence that the Bataclan was a target and that someone was rounded up interrogated and didn't have all his freedom protected.

How about just play 'Imagine' on the piano endlessly. You are so naive.. You realise ISIS despise moderate Muslims?

Vaporising works for me

Syrian passport found on body of one of the #ParisAttacks perpetrators at Stade de France, police say https://t.co/e6B9jWLc1G

No one is saying every act of terrorism is the same. in the 1980s a bomb going off under an army jeep in Belfast I would safely wsay we could rule out Al Qaida, Chechen separatists and the Vietcong Were you surprised a pick-up truck with the confederate flag wasn't

Recent details about how many attacks thwarted in this country and 7/7 shows we are just as much a target as France. France does have prison population estimated at 70% Muslim - no such rehab or education done in there so no surprise radicalising ideologies take root.

Yeah just as likely to be a lively Methodist group.. I feel your such stance hinders discussions - want to be seen as the fair good guy. Don't ever get a job in security services

Oh yeah I seem to recall now. What do you want? To destroy Western civilisation. Ok if we just give you a bit to destroy will you go away

Who is advocating that?

http://www.lemonde.fr/attaques-a-paris/article/2015/11/14/daniel-psenny-journaliste-au-monde-j-ai-senti-comme-un-petard-qui-explosait-dans-mon-bras_4809665_4809495.html Journalist who filmed this was shot in leg helping others escape

And no 'y'alls' - it's as if your N'orlins drawl comes and go

Safe to say it will bear out. How they can do such things in name of god whilst executing teenagers begging for their lives is beyond me. What makes someone want be part of such hate filled doctrine that they actually believe their god welcomes. So fcked up.

You thought it might have been GreenPeace?