Lighthouse

If you can’t see the massive difference between this analogy and deliberately disrespecting the fallen servicemen of a country you chose to emigrate to, I can’t be bothered explaining it and it’s of little interest to anyone else.

Completely false analogy, for three reasons. You’re talking about celebrating a dictator in a country I have nothing to do with. A more accurate comparison would be if I moved to play in the Russian League for a massive pot full of roubles and during their armed forces Remembrance Day I turned my back on their wreath/veterans because half my family was American and a bunch of them were killed in the Korean War.

It’s not ‘an aspect’ though, he isn’t protesting council tax rises or increased rail fares. Without everything the poppy represents we wouldn’t exist as a free country, it’s fundamental to what he is able to do. He shouldn’t be forced to commemorate things I agree on that. He has the right to be a hypocrite but he has to accept the flak that comes with it. Turning his back on the wreath was a step to far. That would be like a player not only refusing to take a knee but standing with his back to his teammates whilst they do it.

I assume you’re referring to McLean. Northern Ireland is always going to be a contentious issue and he can’t win there. Whatever he does will infuriate half of his home city and a fair few Brits. His situation is made worse by two issues. One being a game where he turned his back on a remembrance wreath, which goes beyond simple abstinence and is making an active gesture of disrespect. The other being the obvious hypocrisy of not being willing to commemorate fallen British soldiers but being quite happy to live here and get paid money with the Queen’s head on it.

To someone choosing to do so it obviously has meaning. The problem is there is no way of deciphering who is making that choice and who is just being made to conform.

Right, both threads have been merged since there’s a pretty large crossover anyway. Regarding the whole poppy thing, I’d say it was more akin to the kick it out badges and armbands. Both should be a matter of choice. Taking the knee clearly isn’t, so as a gesture it has basically become meaningless.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53226508 The bar has been raised yet higher in finding ridiculous reasons to try and be offended on behalf of black people.

No costly stars? They’ve been paying Jermaine Defoe and absolute bomb to play for Rangers the last two years and let’s not go into Ibe or Solanke.

That was my plan yes. Maybe add a few Pompey and Norwich mosaics to the stands too.

Having a fiddle with the new poll options but it should be multiple choice in both. I’d like Leeds and Brentford to come up automatically with Forest via the playoffs. A couple of old school clubs with decent support and a reasonable chance of getting an away ticket, plus Brentford being a new one for me and a new ground. Going down Norwich seems an inevitability but Villa and West Ham can join them with their reckless spending on absolute trash too.

If West Ham stay up it’ll be largely down to the 6 points we gave them and 0 to Norwich, Watford and Villa, which is annoying.

The away bankiest of away bankers, this one. Personally I have a cheery feeling of, 'oh well, they can't possibly disappoint me.' As for the team; Adams and Smallbone looked decent so I'd play them instead of Long and Romeu. As well as Vest played today, City aren't giants and I'd bring Stephens back for this one. Apart from that, keep it as is and see what happens.

It’s official. Most away wins for Saints in top flight history. 😲

Oh Che, I wanted that to happen so much.

That’s fucking amazing!

Welbeck has three league goals since September 2017. Two of them were against us.

Hughes looks like that albino monk from The Da Vinci Code.

Ahhh, he had Redmond left there.

Watching the half time analysis, no f**king way on Earth is that a penalty.

Romeu looking a bit Steve Bruce. Reckon that might be broken.

Can’t we just use this season’s away kit at home?

I would quite like to have sex with him.

Fuck me he’s good!

Good turn and run there Vest, like a panther.

It's not a moronic strawman, it was a facetious example to illustrate my point; just because two statements are made by the same person in the same place, it doesn't mean they equate to the same thing, which is what EJ was implying in this post below. If that example upsets you, then how about if a BLM supported had sprayed, "Black lives matter, white lives don't!" on the side of a bus stop? If the same person had written those two statements in the same place, would they then imply the same thing? Could the phrase, "white lives don't matter," then be extrapolated to anyone supporting the BLM movement?