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Maybe, but Livramento is a worse right back than KWP on current ability. No contest. So in effect, one of our best players from last season is basically being dropped or played out of position so we can develop and sell on a promising youngster.

currently 14th, 8 points clear of the relegation zone 🙈

Caballero does not inspire confidence re commanding his area. Is it rust or was he always been like that?

Romeu skirting a booking now.

I can't handle how overrun our midfield two are atm. This rigid 4-2-2-2 shit just isn't working 🙄🙈

He's the best free kick taker in the league 🙄. That was as good as a penalty that free kick position.

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Well said, we really do have some numpties for fans.

Captain steps up. The state of the boo boys on here. JWP was our best player even before the free kick tonight. Still they're slagging him off all the time. Absolute beauty of a free kick from him. Shame we can't improve some of our negative fans who only seem to want to slag off the players.

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I enjoy the discussion Alex, but that's not at all what I was trying to say! I think you've misunderstood me. I was just saying that I think Gerrard has achieved what he can in Scotland, and that he's recognised it and taken the step to try out a midtable prem side. If he wants to develop his skills and reputation thats the way to do it - although riskier than staying at rangers for a few more seasons. On your point about saying that the england job requires a "top manager" - lets just take Southgate, he should be nowhere near the England job quality wise, and i'd argue a better manager would have won one of the last two tournaments (fuck it i'd argue BFS would have done better and been more exciting) - the sad face is he gets the job because top managers don't seem to really go for international football (at least for England). But Southgate isn't a top manager, should never even be classed in the same sentence as "top manager" and wouldn't get near a top club in England - surely you aren't going to argue that? Its a shame because we'll never get as good a chance to win a major tournament as the last two tournaments and we had southgate spaffing it up the wall with his 7RB's and appalling game managerment vs inferior italy and coratia sides. We agree? Hence me trying to say Gerrard is taking the appropriate steps in moving to Villa to grow into being a top manager 🤷‍♂️ I have never rated Lampard. And Arteta is learning whilst skirting the very fringes of getting sacked. Gerrard going to villa is an appropriate level for him imo. I broadly agree and didn't argue different Moore is okay but hasn't set the world alight. Scott Parker looks to be a very promising manager. But he needs to step up to prove it. Bournemouth was a shrewd move if he gets them promoted, but if he doesn't you've got to think he'll be looking for a villa level job. Who knows, we might end up with him at saints if Ralph gets chopped? So - Playing devils advocate, thats generally what happens to managers unless they get old and retire at a club 😅 Ala Hodgson (would you argue he was a top manager?) / Ferguson. Is your issue here that Ole and Lampard were shit and its colouring your view of all managers? 😆 Because equally Guardiola, Zidane, Pochetino, Conte, Bobby Robson, Dalglish, Simeone, Clough, Ancelotti, Beckenbauer, Cruyff (to name a few) and even Koeman (less so) were all superb players that did pretty well as managers? The reality is that managers have to take steps up to prove themselves. And whilst none of them should have a right to walk into top clubs, Gerrard at Villa / Parker at Fulham + Bournemouth / Viera at Palace are all more appropriate than Lampard's apointment at Chelsea after one season / OLE at United after Molde.. Which I think we agree on?

Gerrard was always going to get a bounce in form. They sacked smith when they severe injuries. Gerrard would have to be shite to not get a bounce as all his players start coming back 😅

So match day 16 will be +7points / +5GD then compared to last season? Reading the posts on here you'd get the feeling that this is an incredibly poor return by the team - I think some of our fans think that with our budget and overall player quality we should be doing significantly better than this? Another 6 points would see us level with Leicester in 8th and knocking on the doors of europe, yet I get the impression this is the minimum improvement required by those calling for the managers head? A few weeks ago the fans were happy with Ralph and the team. Since then we've lost to Liverpool away (2nd), Arsenal away (6th - we have never won there in the premier league) and drawn with Leicester / Brighton 🙄 (both good sides and Brighton we really should have won) - and we're still doing better than last season where we finished 15th and comfortably clear of relegation. Think people need to be a bit less reactionary and more realistic about the team. As it is, this place is more up and down than a pair of kangaroos in mating season!

Lost away to 6th in the league, a fixture we have a terrible record in, and without a professional goalkeeper or 2 of our best defensive players (sal and rom). Yes... This is obviously the game to sack him on for most level headed fans? Out of curiosity, what result would have been acceptable? If a loss is a sackable offense? I can't imagine anything less than a draw was reasonable to you?

£30-50m to design and build a connected conference centre. No idea on the price of the land.

Fortunately wasn't able to follow the car crash today... However from them snippets I've gleamed, the tone of this post doesn't seem to have been far wide of the mark... 🤣

That's some serious contaminated land treatment they'll be doing if they want it to look as green as that...

TBH Egg, unless the rest of you are testing regularly and masking up when you should, that guy is probably the least of your worries 🤷‍♂️. The risk of spreading it is comparable. Nearly everyone I know who has had the vaccines has gone on to catch covid. One person (AZ) had it twice. Given they're all under 35 and not at any statistically significant risk of severe covid, you do have to wonder why as a cohort our generation bothered to have the vaccine... nothing to do with access to holidays/bars/restaurants i'm sure 😅

You are of course obviously (except to a notable few on this thread 🙄) right. If people want a vaccine to protect themselves then they should get one, and if others don't feel comfortable getting it then thats their prerogative. Its as simple as that. People don't have a right to threaten and take away the jobs and societal access of others - in effect making them unable to pay for rent / bills / food etc. or access education. That is the slippery slope we are on (atm for vaccines but what next?) and its fundamentally because they want to force people to get a vaccine that they clearly don't trust to protect themselves 🤦🏼‍♂️). Its absolutely illogical and hypocritical, and the autocratic need to control others like that is blatantly bad for people in this country.

But this is wrong though isn't it? There is no "end" to virus for you to prolong short of the population achieving effective immunity. This virus is going to spread through the population until we develop that effective immunity, whilst in parallel the virus will mutate to be less severe. We are choosing to prolong the virus by delaying spread, seeking to minimise the chance for our populations to gain any natural immunity (despite the very high average survivability rate), and waste time and resources in an futile effort to prevent mutations - i.e. hanging our hat firmly on full vaccine dependence. That also ignores the fact that that natural immunity provides longer lasting and more effective protection compared to the vaccines. If for example you took the opposite scenario to full vaccine dependence (which i take to be what you champion), i.e. everyone getting natural immunity, the country would get better future protection - Now obviously that scenario would mean you don't vaccinate those vulnerable to the virus, which would equate to more deaths - and isn't something people advocate obviously. However, there is clearly an argument to be made for following an approach between the two, i.e. allowing a less severe strand (like Omicron) to spread whilst the most vulnerable are best protected by vaccines - If the main spreader groups (schoolkids/students/young professionals etc - who aren't under any real risk from covid) get natural immunity, it will serve the country far better in the long run compared to our present strategy of pure reliance on vaccines (that seemingly last 6months, offer only partial protection, and become ineffective after a few mutations/variations.) That's less debt for the country, a shorter pandemic long term, shorter waiting lists for the nhs, better education provision, less impact on services etc. It does unfortunately mean that the money currently lined up for the pockets of big pharma goes back into industries such as travel and transport, leisure and hospitality, and the plethora of businesses that serve office centres etc. Regardless of your take on whether you pursue full vaccine dependence, the point of this thread is covid passports. For me, the vaccines don't offer a long lasting protection, they don't impact on viral loads for future transmission, and they don't stop people catching covid. But they do reduce severe reactions which is particularly beneficial in vulnerable groups. In conclusion though, i would say that there simply isn't a strong enough argument to justify infringing civil liberties by bringing in increased digital surveillance and what amounts to "compliance" controls on access work/education/entertainment etc. - This isn't China and I have no interest in us adopting anything like their measures - Now... people can chose to protect themselves with the vaccines, and they can personally chose to take precautions to mitigate their risk exposure (masks /personal hygiene measures /avoidance), but there is no, "zero covid" scenario and they can catch it just as readily off of a vaccinated person. No one should have the right to stop other people living their lives (and actively discriminate against them) because you don't agree with their medical choices 🤷‍♂️. The vaccine some want to force on everyone else either works or it doesn't. But you've got to let other people have the right to reach their own decisions, take their own risks, and live their lives. It is beyond hypocritical to take a vaccine to protect yourself, and then expect other people to follow your decision because you don't trust the vaccine 🤔

I for one am totally against the introduction of societal/employment/educational passports, which is what this in effect is the start off.

Are people excited about us having a 40year goalkeeper who is without a club and has been training for AFC Wimbledon? 🤔

This has got a loss written all over it i'm afraid. Feel like we always do poorly at Arsenal. Especially when we have a 40year old stand in goalkeeper with only a few days of training

Anyone know how much debt are leeds are in relative to saints?

The skate equaliser was clearly offside in this as well 🤣