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And Jesus was our right back.

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Faith is not a single thing - my faith is different to that of the Bishop of Liverpool, the Patriarch of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine, the Chief Rabbi,or the Ayatollahs in Iran. All of us still, however, have it.

NO !!!!!!!!! Try to understand, for a large number of people the "empirical data" is Creation and the Bible. This is what they believe and accept as proven fact. Just suck it up.

We are testing how firmly he holds faith in that assertion.

Or which iteration of the Matrix.

To the people that hold such faith, yes. Is this the bit you find so hard to comprehend ?

So it's his fault.

I think, I think I am Therefore I am, I think Of course you are my bright little star I've miles and miles of files Pretty files of your forefather's fruit And now to suit our great computer You're magnetic ink. ( The Moody Blues - In the Beginning )

You clearly, and deliberately, keep missing the point - The people that believe this accept the Bible and Creation as demonstrable proof. A fourteenth century peasant asked his local priest "How do I know God exists, where is the proof ?", the priest replied "Look about you my son at the glory of God's creation laid out before you".

MLG - " But how does that connect to their God rather than another God?" Badger - "The connection you ask about is FAITH"

Anoia, the Goddess of things that get stuck in drawers.

Peadnt.

FFS, the 'demonstrable evidence' at the time was the Word of God, as published in the Bible. Perhaps mankind and science have progressed since then, but at the time this was accepted wisdom.

You still don't get it - "Evidence" is only what an individual or group believe to be true. Sometimes the group is pretty much the entirity of humanity, sometimes it is the Global congregation of a religious dogma, sometimes it is a pedant on an Internet forum. YOU dismiss the "evidence" of Creation because YOU don't belive it. The connection you ask about is FAITH, purely and simply, but as you don't have it you cannot comprehend it.

If God revealed himself fully to man's view then He would destroy faith.

Can you prove that, or is it merely the current 'best fit' theory ? 1500 years ago people believed that God created the World in 7 days, and the Earth was no more than 4000 years old- all the evidence at the time supported this. Indeed, many still support this belief.

And, of course, God created MLG.

That might be your opinion, but you are demostrably in the minority.

Where is your evidence ?

You want "evidence" that you can believe, and you mock people who see "evidence" differently. What makes your evidence better than the evidence a devout Christian believes ?

As I have said repeatedly, hundreds of millions will trell you it is all around you. That you dismiss this 'evidence' because it relies on faith does not invalidate it's veracity in their eyes. There is a saying; "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". As for the "demonstrable evidence", this is open to question, so the fact that you accept it as proof shows faith in the science and mathematics; https://www.lppfusion.com/science/cosmic-connection/plasma-cosmology/the-growing-case-against-the-big-bang/ "Since scientists first proposed the big bang theory, many people have questioned and criticized the model. Here's a rundown on some of the most common criticisms of the big bang theory:" https://science.howstuffworks.com/dictionary/astronomy-terms/big-bang-theory7.htm

MLG, does your "evidence" have to be physical, or can it be theoretical ? Do you believe in Black Holes or Dark Matter ? What about the Big Bang, or the end of the Universe ?

Do you believe faith exists ?