Wes Tender

Duplicate post...cancelled

Did I really invite such a detailed reply about the broader aspects of the situation, just because I expressed the opinion that likening the club's board to a totalitarian regime was a bit extreme?

It really is getting a bit silly when there is mention of the current troubles in Egypt and labelling of the board of a football club as a totalitarian regime, just because some fans don't like the new football strip they introduced. I suggest that you try and get a bit more perspective into your life and realise that there are far more important things to get worked up about, things that make a real difference.

I totally agree with this. We are supposed to have an excellent scouting network, so less need for the parasitic agents to line their pockets, because we have identified the players we would like and contacted their clubs direct. Players like Wanyama will find out that having a greedy agent will eventually lead to them becoming pariahs and it will have an adverse effect on their careers if they let it get out of hand. And as you say, there are indeed more players of reasonable quality than there are places for them in the top teams, so we ought to be able to find and secure the 4/5 players we need to improve our squad enough to take us to the next level. We still hold several aces without having to be blackmailed by greedy bastard agents when there are other less problematic options available.

The purchase of the season ticket is merely payment of an admission charge to watch an entertainment event, put bluntly. Poor football is likely to eventually affect the number of attendances, just as poor quality or unpopular design will affect the sales of merchandise adversely. From that point of view, the club could have benefited from asking the fan base for their preferences and acting upon them. However, because there has been no dialogue between the board and the fans over this, we are not privy to the commercial reasons behind this decision so do not know the reasoning behind it. Several suggestions have been made to justify the decision for the re-branding, among them the greater appeal to the Asian market where red and gold are seen to be lucky, propitious colours. Ultimately, the wisdom of the decision will be gauged through the sales and on the basis of those, will be determined the justification for the change or the admission that it was a mistake and lessons learned from it. Whether somebody looks more like a plonker wearing one football shirt design rather than another around town is a moot point.

Well, they're certainly generally a lot better, so it's not really a fair comparison.

I really couldn't care less, Tim. The LOL at the end wasn't there for extra weight or gravitas, even if that was how you interpreted it. It was there because it signified a source of amusement that the argument that the more tax a nation paid indicated a better place to live, was derailed by the basket case of Zimbabwe. Did you get a bit tetchy because I spotted the flaw in your link, that the table didn't take into account the omission of local taxes like VAT or Council taxes or their equivalents?

You don't quite have the hang of this, Barry. It ought to be something more along the lines of Car Bus Yellow, (or some other colour).

Which bit didn't I read properly? It seems perfectly plain to me. You have asked "does this shirt contribute to the increased global profile of the club"? Barcelonasaint had already answered that question saying that "no, the shirt alone was not enough to raise our global profile". What's to misunderstand?

When talking about comparable tax rates, one needs to have this clearly defined in order for the comparison to be fair, as per the disclaimer on that site:- Warning: tax rates do not seem to include state and local taxes because it requires a lot of work to collect data from sub-national entities. Taxation covers numerous different types, what with income tax, VAT, Council Tax, Corporation Tax, Capital Gains Tax, Inheritance Tax, etc. But going along with the argument that in general the higher the taxation, the better the country is to live in, it's a toss up between Denmark and Zimbabwe.

Quote: Barcelonasaint: I had no difficulty at all in understanding Barcelonasaint's response.

Where did he say that?

Somewhere in your haste to get in your Monday morning dose of snide, you appear to have overlooked the emphasis I placed on the achievement of us getting back to this position so quickly. But I'll humour you. We've been second in the top flight of English football within living memory of many of us on here. So I take it that you're happy to accept that we will be right back there in the near future? You weren't one of those rubbishing Cortese's ambitions for us to be playing CL football then? Not one to ridicule the possibiblity of us breaking into the top four even, although having come second before, that would almost be a failure, wouldn't it?

He should. A glaring omission

I had total faith that you of all people could foresee with absolute clarity of vision that from the verge of going out of existence, we would rise like a Phoenix and be back in the Premiership so quickly. And not just back there, but intending to move upwards so ambitiously. Well done. There were many doubters that such a thing could be achieved so quickly, yet you were never one of them.

If you don't like the new shirt, don't buy it; it will be the simplest way to register your protest. If the sales showed that the club had made a massive blunder in dropping the stripes, then they would have to take that into consideration when they come to design the next one. Personally, I couldn't care less either way. All this talk about us not accepting it if Lowe introduced it is rubbish, as the situation with the ownership is totally different and Lowe and the board had to please the paying customers in order to keep our heads above water. Cortese and the Liebherrs can do what they like and generally have done extremely well so far in bringing success to the club that could only have been dreamed about before they came in. Whenever I feel the urge to wear a Saints shirt, I'll get out the sash shirt, which to my mind is the best Saints shirt I've seen and that didn't have stripes (plural)

I 'd hazard a guess that there was a word missing from the title. I'm pretty sure that he meant to ask "How do you feel about one, just one Lawrie Mac "sexy" style signing? Although with a bit of research the players we are currently rumoured to be looking at seem to be very good, if we're honest most on here haven't previously heard of the majority of them. None of them are remotely in the category of Keegan when Lawrie signed him. So there is some validity in the question once the meaning of it is clear.

No. Expressing the thoughts of a lot of us, about you sounding increasingly like a a stuck record.

And we're often all at sea too.

There's enough material there for a whole convention, to paraphrase from Fawlty Towers.

Yeah, it was all their fault for buying such mediocrity, wasn't it? We should steer well clear of any of these World star players, lest they get us relegated.

Well, that extremely average Brazilian footballer Juninho went to that World renowned resort town Middlesbrough, as did that other mediocre Brazilian footballer Emerson and Italian nobody Ravanelli. They were attracted by their luxury beachside villas and their jetset neighbours and their wives loved the Couture Culture shopping.

A signing like that would be a real statement of intent and send shock waves reverberating around the country.

Carmina Burana takes a lot of beating for me.

I'm seriously thinking of doing that, buying the low price shirt without the sponsor and sewing on the proper Saints embroidered badge. Not having a sponsor's name was one of the plus points with the sash shirt.