Wes Tender

Nor will it be you. Of course the history of recent times will be written a few more years down the line by proper historians who are able to provide the perspective and context of the period of time. You demonstrate a complete lack of historical perspective and objectivity if you believe that there will be more written about Askdown than Farage. Making it a sort of contest between their personalities shows how utterly naive you are. It is about the effect that they have on the country by their actions. Fromthat perspective, Ashdown can be as well respected, decent, moral, whatever adjectives you care to throw at him, but what exactly has he done during his political career, apart from leading a rather poor Lib Dem Party? The history of this period when it comes to be written will already have much more to say about Farage than it will about Ashdown, whether it be written by some leftie like you painting him as a pound shop Mosley, or by somebody who credits him more accurately with forcing the Conservative Party to hold the referendum which changed the path of our history from 23rd June 2016.

We'll see. It certainly won't be you writing the history, judging by your assessments of other politicians

Whether you like it or not, Farage will certainly have his place in history assured for being instrumental in getting us to vote in the referendum to leave the EU. Farage's job should have been finished in mainstream British politics following the vote to leave, but if Brexit is fudged in any way, he still has a role to play. J R-M's political future at the top of Conservative politics is also well under way, as much as Shurlock proves by his subsequent idiotic and usual snide post, that he has really has not the faintest idea of the internal politics of the Conservative Party.

It wasn't a eulogy for a friend though, was it? It was an opinion on football forum.

After the Arsenal win, the pundits on MOTD watched Hasenhuttl and proclaimed "this guy's going to be fun." And they're right. He is a big personality and very quickly seems to have won over the players and turned their demeanours around from losers into winners. He is totally focused, kicks and heads every ball from the sidelines, celebrates like any fan when we score, and shows real warmth and appreciation towards the players and fans for their effort and support. His commitment is total and he expects the same from the players. He is loyal to those who give their everything and is unfazed about blooding the youngsters into the team if he believes that they are ready. This will intensify competition to get into the team and encourage the youngsters to step up, knowing that their chance will come under him A typical Saints team recently would have given the top clubs a game and folded against the basement teams. Under him, we have beaten both. Personally I think that we played better against Arsenal. Much of the passing today was sloppy and we gave the ball away too easily, too often. I have been surprised to see in both matches that despite us being the better team during the match in terms of our style of play, we seem to be having only one third of the possession, yet scored 3 goals both times. We used to have two thirds of the possession and couldn't score. Tactically, Ralph seems to get it spot on so far. The substitutions are aimed towards attacking, not letting up to defend a lead, but to increase it. His high pressing game requires super fitness and stamina, which didn't seem to be a top priority under the past two managers at least, and until players are capable of maintaining the pace for the full 90 minutes, fresh legs are introduced to maintain the shape and impetus. With continuing success, no doubt other managers will suss out how we play and the lower down teams will once again park the bus as they used to do when we had Koeman and Pochettino. However, the top teams will feel that they won't need to, so it would be great to once again cause some upsets by beating them too further down the line. There are players like Bertrand and Cedric to come back from injury and others who have for one reason or another been excluded from the starting line-up or even the bench. They will have to fight for a place in the team, or have the FA Cup as a opportunity to showcase themselves. Otherwise they could be on their way out of the door in the January transfer window. Although I have faith in Ralph's ability to improve players in areas where they lack ability, no doubt he has already identified where we are deficient in the squad and will wish to bring in his own players. I hope that Mr Gao can open his cheque book to accommodate a signing or two to round off the squad. Early days, but already in a short time I have gone from the feelings of disillusionment, boredom and despair under Hughes and Pellegrino, to optimism, passion and expectation towards our team once more.

Also incompetent, indecisive, dishonest and bone-headed. We're allowed to hold opinions like that, but it would constitute unparliamentary language in the house (unless it is the speaker who says it).

Mr Speaker Bercow went a lovely shade of puce when reminded by Andrea Leadsom that he had called her a stupid woman. And Soubry claimed that had the Conservative front bench called somebody on the Labour side a stupid woman, Bercow would be all over it like a rash. As if anybody needed evidence of Bercow's Labour bias.

I deliberately didn't respond to your question because I realised how riled it makes you failing to get a rise out of posters who you routinely insult. It's a form of entertainment for me, which I find mildly amusing. But as SOG says, we on this forum ought to try and be a bit more civil towards each other at this time of year. Peace on earth and goodwill towards all men (and women), even the remoaners.

I'm really sorry to hear that John, We've had our differences in the past but you have my heartfelt sympathy. I know from personal experience what you must be going through, especially at this time of the year.

Grow-up nipper. 3 words

It's really simple, Shurlock. As I said already, it is ironic in the extreme that you like to dish it out with your juvenile and patronising insults, but don't like getting it back. In simple terms that you'll understand, you are the bully getting bullied. I have never seen you condemn anything abusive said to me, not even the disgusting stuff aimed at my family by the loathsome and juvenile Jeff, so who's the hypocrite? If I am, so are you. Odious views = opinions that you don't hold.

I refuse to rise to your pathetic insults towards my family or your juvenile standard of argument. I can feel contented that I'm better than you when it comes to behaving like a grown up. I've said before, you really are beyond contempt, not worth wasting much time on. Go and find somebody else who you think gives a damn about your childish opinions.

I said that I don't harbour much admiration or indeed liking for the Arabs. You in your usual MO then stated in a subsequent post that I hated the Arabs, so I had to correct your usual and probably deliberate misapprehension. Regarding your inflammatory remark about my children and grandchildren , I said that they would prosper following our departure for the sclerotic and failing EU, to which you asked whether they were violent racists too. But you obviously don't have the common decency to debate on a forum without insults.

I have not admitted that I am a racist and I am not one. But you really are beneath contempt for trying to get at somebody by insulting their children and wife. I'm not about to sink to your level and swap childish insults with you. I'll just have to pity you for not knowing when lines of common decency are crossed.

You really are the lowest of the low, aren't you? The other day you had a go at my children and now you wish to hurl insults about my wife. You really are beneath contempt.

I agree with you, it is dense of Jeff to think that there are only two reasons why people voted to leave the EU. And then even more dense for him to state those reasons for voting to leave, that some did it just out of spite, contempt for the common man, for racist reasons, or just plain stupidity and gullibility. Jeff hasn't exactly covered himself in glory here, with his two narrow categories, has he? But his idiocy seems to have been surpassed by Verbal's opinion that the reality is that Brexit for Brexiters isn’t really about the EU at all (about which the majority of them cared not a jot until 2016 in his opinion). It is apparently about the destruction of an inclusive society (who knew?) He concludes with a different duo of types of bellicose Brexiteer, racists and enablers of racist. Such are the views of the bellicose Remoaners.

Guy Verhofstadt tweet: Really Guy? So you admit that it isn't the job of the likes of you and your unelected cronies in the EU Commission to make the lives of EU citizens poorer, removing their opportunities and rights, making their lives more uncertain? For once, I agree with you.

So over half of the electorate who voted in the referendum have let the whole country down? What a stupid idea democracy is, eh, letting the thick voters decide our future, instead of allowing the well educated establishment, our betters, to decide our future.

So we agree then, the Labour 6 conditions are a fudge to cover up the fact that they have no plan.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/corbyn-tables-a-motion-of-no-confidence-in-may-will-it-backfire/ An interesting summary regarding the Corbyn vote of no confidence in May, the background to it and the possible repercussions.

Me: Isn't that what I just said?

So Labour tables a vote of no confidence in May. He won't win it

You live in a fantasy dream world, if you honestly believe that Labour's Brexit conditions are simply holding Davis to his word. He backtracked soon after, stating that this was an ambition rather than a pledge, but as far as I'm aware, it still remains a condition for Labour. Of course, if you were a realist, you would admit that Labour has no intention of delivering Brexit, but as they cannot admit it, they have concocted this fudge as a cover up. But nobody is fooled by it. The only people calling for a second referendum are those who all along wanted one, because they didn't believe for one second that they would lose the first one. They have the bare-faced audacity to call it a "people's vote" as if people didn't vote the last time. It might give you a hard-on imagining that the current situation is causing some consternation to the ardent leavers, but one way or another we will be leaving the EU.

No, that prize belongs to the idiot Starmer and the Labour leadership. The difference is that they made it their party policy only to accept a deal based on that condition. Davis is an individual, speaking as one. I realise how difficult a concept that is for you to differentiate between.

It was hyperbole based on your £50 bet. I should have put a sticky out tongue emoji on it , as it went over your head.