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one thing is for sure, predictions on here will probably never come to fruition

happy with that if it comes off

surprised we have not shifted anyone yet

Labour's guidance at elections - Vote early, Vote often.

I have never said anything about a country attacking Israel or the fear of in this discussion, as far as I know. you have lost me

no idea if you are on a phone but it looks a mess on a computer and because of that, unsure of the point (or what ever it is) you are trying to make

you what?

not my subject, I never started this thread nor were you responding to me above in post #4380 (lighthouse it was I believe)

you could argue that fewer 'foreigners' have been killed by the US military under Trump's watch compared to many others.

which is a different point to whether Iran/Iranian forces did this or if there was a missile attack - even on the non-iran facing side of the ship. Or not. as for your point about being happy to be played. Lets say for a moment that what you suggest IS happening. I gather from your rant here you are not happy to be 'played'. Can I ask, what are you going to do about it?

it might be less about the State of Iran using a nuclear weapon but more so the absolute lunatics who would be near that capability by default. All in the name of Allah of course.

That may be true, but you would have to question their expertise on the matter? Did they have military/civilian ships protection force on board? did the person who said this have the extensive knowledge of launched/guided weapons? was it a coincidence? if something was 'flying' it must have had a source. this area easily brings the most surveillance compared to anywhere else on earth. Anything launched will have had telemetry data emitting. Any such fire control type of emission will alarm like a Christmas tree on all warships in the region, military sites and on other forms of data collection activities. as said, the whole region is monitored like you would never believe and not just by the UK/US. Not seeing much in the form of video/evidence that this was a 'launched/aerial' attack.

I would be absolutely stunned if what, the 30-odd crew members of the ship of that enormous size had 24 hour / total watch of the ship inside/out. Many of the crew were probably sought from the lowest possible bidder for the work. absolutely impossible job.

don't recall anyone here or in the wider public space backing that up. Politicians, yes but as we see with BREXIT, they barely speak for the majority anyway. however, needs must I guess and the cheapest way for oil. it's a horrible game!

Do you believe that damage to the non-iran facing side of the vessel stands up as evidence?

the Iranians game or aspiration is to control the straits/region. that leads to all sorts of chaos for all of us, whether you like it or not. Having the ability to produce nuclear weapons (different argument here) is about influence in the region. However, I find it utterly laughable that stating it could not be Iran behind the attack due to the damage being caused of the STBD side (side not pointing to mainland Iran) of the vessel.

are you suggesting that Iran would have had to fire a missile/projectile from their coast? how would that work ?

non-iranian side of the strait? jesus, have you ever been there?

which one are you, baffins?

it was Iran. I suspect the regional commanders (allied) know which exact hull of vessel used, when it left port, when it returned. Probably know the names of some of the crew.

I can't wait till the big teams start getting the biased benefit from VAR decisions.

Carrillo was/is terrible. Absolutely NOTHING about him suggested he would be anything other than an abject failure of a signing. It was quite weird when a few on here flipped his games/goals stats around to claim he had a good scoring record. I remember CB Fry having fun with that one

Referee's in the premier league are shyte. As for VAR, it is obviously going to take a while to get it right, but it is not going away. If players did not cheat like they try to do and/or if ref's were competent...No VAR required

jesus, what a dinosaur