Sergei Gotsmanov

That is a fascinating story. In fairness I was merely trying to use the Ouija board as something that cannot be explained by science in the same way that people's religious experience cannot. People who have been to Auchswitz tell me the silence is bizarre, now science cannot explain that. Anyway I still cannot find an explanation for my ouja board experiences not through being evasive or flippant.

I think I will retire from the discussion. I hope your mate has a good dentist.

I don't as it happens to often but I have replied now!

Firstly in this mini debate you ignore the fact that there is sometimes no commercial transaction. Secondly I was using a ouija board to illustrate that you are using science to argue the existance or non existance of God whilst ignoring the spiritual side of religion which cannot be measured. People get some spiritual satisfaction out of religion and I do not think you address this or what causes it. The Oiuja board is a side show.

Well you need more than two people.

When we used to do it you used your little finger on a glass.

As an aside my Great Grandfather was a vicar and lost his faith when he lost my great Aunt. He got quite involved with spiritualism and was involved with Arthur Conan Doyle. This was certainly not finacially driven. As for the Ouiija boards I would agree it could be in your subconscious but why then do you need more than two people to operate it. I am not sure you are qualified to argue about it if you have never done it.

If you took the time to read my posts, I was pointing out that Frank was refering constantly to science to base his suggestion that God did not exist. I was pointing out that you cannot discount the spiritual side of religion just because it cannot be measured it is obviously a factor. To use an extreme why do you not look up the Toronto blessing.

You miss the point Frank. Science cannot disprove Ouija boards but something definately happens when you do one.

Well its better than you have produced.

On a clear night Frank, look up into the sky and tell me that we know what the hell is out there.

Its not fifteen to one Frank. If you ever do a Ouija board you will see that it undoubtedly works and as far as I can see there is no evidence as to why it works. I used to find the process rather spooky.

I found this. It would suggest you are wrong. http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2058815

That is not what I was lead to believe do you have a source?

You clearly are applying the extreme to the mainstream in your argument. Children can think for themselves and do think for themselves, that is because we live in a free society where knowledge is all around you - in your youth did you ever have the good fortune to meet a convent girl? Those that ban the cross at work and want the State to somehow intervene are the real threat to freedom.

I am afraid Hypo it is another classic case of people not believing that people are capable are thinking for themselves. They have this totally misguided belive that in family homes all around the country thousands of children are locked in bedrooms with bread, water and a copy of the bible.

What are you proposing, to confiscate bibles and Korans from family homes. You really don't believe that in our free society people cannot make up their own minds? It seems to me that you do not believe in basic freedoms.

Niceandfriendly it is about respect. What are your thoughts on the Thai Royal family?

Totally mad I am sure but why do the COE schools outperform other schools and why is it so difficult to get your children into them?

Of course religion changes because it is based on how people interpret the teachings and that changes. It is why you end up with those that have a radical interpretation of the teachings. The trouble with your view on the teaching of Christianity is that you assume that in our society people are unable to make up their own minds; we live in a free society where information is everywhere. You are exposing your inner prejudices; who cares what they are called? They are called Christian values because it was Christians that first promoted and marketed them. If you are that keen on understanding faith may I suggest that a football forum is not the most appropriate medium.

Scotty I am not talking about the merits of the instituitions, faith is generally quite a personal thing. I have limited respect for the Church as a whole just a lot of the individuals in it.