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I have no idea but perhaps look at their reasoning before passing judgement? The article below makes the point I was trying to make much better than I did. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2023/6/22/weaponisation-of-anti-semitism-is-bad-for-palestinians-and-jews The film that was initially pulled defending Corbyn of claims that he is antisemitic was eventually shown in the Speaker’s Form tent at Glastonbury. Surprise, surprise, the world has carried on spinning

Are those who support the boycott of goods anti-Semitic? https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/24/tory-mps-michael-gove-bill-ban-public-bodies-israel-boycott

I rest my case. Given that I have been picked up on my use of language, spending time trying to research a topic is now proof that I am anti-Semitic. 🙄

Ok then, I’ll bite. Apart from the Diane Abbot letter that I said I didn’t think was anti semitic ( for the record she tried to say that black people experienced racism and white people didn’t but accepted that four types of white people experience prejudice, including Jewish people) where is your evidence that I am anti semantic? While you are at it, explain why saying that I don’t think a letter written by someone else is anti-Semitic makes me an anti-Semite. I am also enjoying the irony of you picking me up for “clumsy” language when you yourself fill your posts with language left over from the 1970’s. This is an internet forum not the Oxford University Debating Society. I am sure most of us post using a phone using our thumbs to type so little surprise that language is often “clumsy” and points aren’t made perfectly. Throw in a few people like you determine to deliberately misrepresent what others say and you end up with extended threads like this which go off at tangents and end up ignoring the main point and just give the usual subjects an excuse for another pile on. Yes, I do write too much, a product of only having three posts a day. I deliberately used Israeli rather than Jewish as I was trying to differentiate between the state and the people.

Thank you for your assessment of my posts. It is a shame you didn’t bother to point out why you think that my argument doesn’t hold water. Do you agree that I am an anti-Semite because I haven’t made it clear that I only hold certain Jewish people responsible for their actions? I throw those accusations around because they are true. Duckhunter for example has been trying to pin the racist tag and anti semitic tag on me for a while now based on nothing but his twisted logic. What makes it even more laughable is that him and the pile on crew have spent months poking me for being too woke! I stand by my point and the Glastonbury film censorship just adds more weight. In any civilised democracy it should be perfectly acceptable to speak critically of something or to defend yourself if criticised. This place is a case in point. Plenty of different opinions shared here with plenty of name calling on both sides too (and I have been called plenty of names). My use of the word “dumb” had nothing to do with not being able to speak. It has been widely used for many years towards people who aren’t very bright. Anyway, more pertinently, how do you feel about the escalation of violence in the West Bank and the censorship of the Jeremy Corbyn film at Glastonbury? Oh and regards abuse, unlike you Whelk, I don’t call people “cunts”.

Semantics. We talk about the Russian invasion of Ukraine and no one jumps up and down and insists that it should only be referred to as Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. He would look pretty stupid invading Ukraine on his own and clearly needs a lot of help! I know you aren’t as dumb as some of the others on this thread and understand my point. But for the hard of thinking on here, I am sure there a plenty of Jewish people who just want this conflict over and want to live in peace with the Palestinians. It doesn’t alter the fact that their leaders and military are aggressors. My beef is with the way the Palestinian people have been treated and with those who are responsible and their enablers. If that makes me an anti-Semite, then I will be on a very long list. Just to spell it out for Duckhunter. I am sure that many people on here were against our (the UK’s) participation in the invasion of Iraq. It doesn’t automatically mean that we hate the British people. When we criticise it, we are not criticising every person in the country.The people we elected made the decision and our military carried it out but it doesn’t mean that the rest of us supported, are warmongers and hate Iraqis (although we all have an overall responsibility as members of the electorate who voted the decision makers in). I don’t know why I am to having to point out the obvious again but I do know that there are a few very dim posters here who are desperate to twist and misinterpret everything to suit their own agendas. Please don’t be one of them.

I have to take my cap off to you, managing to shoe horn your anti-woke agenda into a thread about a search for a missing submersible. Years of practice I suppose. Perhaps show a bit of respect for those 5 lives in the balance at the moment and hold off until we know their fate at least?

You have fallen into the same trap! As I am sure you know, it is entirely possible to be against a nation’s policy against another without hating its populous. I will call out the Russian invasion of Ukraine all day long but doesn’t mean that I hate Russians. Moving back to the Glastonbury situation, Corbyn has been accused of antisemitism, a charge he denies. It seems to me entirely fair for his position to be defended. If the Board of Deputies of British Jews have a problem with the film’s content, they are at liberty to raise their concerns. Quite rightly, they will have views of their own which they expect to be given a platform, why then deny another the same courtesy?

You can, you only get called those things if you are those things 😉. I would suggest that this particular label is a lot more emotive. People get called Pinko’s, Lefties, Blobs, Enemies of the People, Remoaners and the above all the time and no one bats an eyelid. Once you get labelled an antisemite it packs more punch, which is what hurt Corbyn and why he should have taken it much more seriously and fought his corner harder. The term is weaponised and is used to shut down criticism of Israeli actions all of the time. As for removing labels, good luck with that!

It seems that you can’t criticise the Israelis nowadays without being labelled an antisemite or Holocaust denier. The was going to be a film screened at Glastonbury about Jeremy Corbyn and the “conspiracy theory” about him being antisemitic but the Board of Deputies of British Jews has lent on the organisers and they have pulled it. Pure censorship and if this had been the other way round you can imagine the uproar. It is a massively complex situation and goodness knows how you reach a compromise that would satisfy both sides, but given the way that Jewish people have been discriminated against through the ages their treatment of the Palestinians does them no credit. You don’t get a free pass to crush someone or displace them just because it has happened to you in the past. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/jeremy-corbyn-board-of-deputies-of-british-jews-labour-jewish-los-angeles-b2361117.html

Stalkers gotta stalk! I have no idea what the 10 year old joke is but from many previous posts have seen that Batman used to be a cook on a sub. Rather than make fatuous comments about something that has nothing to do with him, telling that he has nothing to contribute other than personal digs about a historic event in Parliament and a government in a death spiral. I suppose, being a self obsessed narcissist himself, criticising Johnson would be like criticising himself!

Haven’t they called you up to the rescue mission for the missing sub yet? The crew will need to be fed.

Another bad day for the government and another kick in the teeth for integrity, accountability and professionalism. By avoiding the vote Sunak has shown, yet again, that he has brought none of these things to the table. By abstaining, so many other Tories have also shown us their true colours. A Prime Minister lied to Parliament and trashed the integrity of the investigating committee yet they still can’t bring themselves to sanction his actions, even when they go against everything we expected from the highest office in the land. I hope that every one of the weasels lose their seats at the next election. No surprise that my MP, Damian Collins, bottled it last night. He ducked his head below the parapet during Partygate and did so again yesterday. I just hope that the local electorate remember that when voting next time round. Mad Nad threatened all of those who failed to support Johnson with deselection. It should be the other way around. Intergrity, accountability and professionalism - all completely missing from a succession of Tory cabinets over the last 13 years. Sunak is just another in a long line of PM’s promoted well above their station, but at least he was given a lesson in integrity, accountability and professionalism by former PM, Teresa May’s speech. For those on Penny watch. No sword this time but at least she showed some moral backbone at the Dispatch Box and will hopefully have gained more Brownie points in her standing as next party leader in waiting over the dreadful Braverman.

No pretence. I was looking through a historical thread and there it was, a pound shop Turkish type jibe from The Kraken. It looks like you posted there between June and August 2015. I am flattered that you enjoy my posts so much you follow me around the internet. 😘

Yippee. Another stalker. I assume you are the same Kraken that used to have a pop at me on Sotonians? Perhaps you too are obsessed? If you don’t like my posts why not just ignore them? What is so odd about someone writing about Boris Johnson on a Boris Johnson thread anyway, especially when he is all over the news again?

He hasn’t taken a shred of responsibility or shown any contribution and no, he hasn’t f**ked off yet. He is still all over the news and is writing a weekly column in the Mail, or hadn’t you noticed? If he is now such a non-entity why do you still feel the need to comment about him? Strange little chap.

Move on nothing to see here etc. etc. because, apparently, there were no parties. So much for a half arsed piss up. Looks like a fully fledged piss up to me. Johnson said that he would take full responsibility if it was found that there was wrongdoing. Time for him to do as he said for once, stop defelecting, accept responsibility and f**k off. The still pictures were bad enough, but the video brings it home so much more. As said, this isn’t about what we thought about the lockdown rules, yet again it is one rule for us and a different rule for them. So many nails in the Tory coffin now that there is barely room for another. All Starmer has to do is play this video in all the Labour Party political broadcasts from now until the election. The bastards are toast

“Remember, the country ran out of money, right?” Dear God Batman, it was a JOKE! How do you think that the country continued to function without any money? It is customary for outgoing ministers to leave messages for the new incumbent, and this was, I say again, a joke. Apparently it was a throwback to Tory Reginald Maudling leaving a note for his successor, James Callaghan, in 1964 which read,”Good luck, old cock…sorry to leave it in such a mess.” Austerity was a political choice hoisted on us by the Tory government when there were other options open. Time to stop blaming Labour for 13 years of misrule don’t you think? The Tories chose to make cuts in the police and criminal justice system despite supposedly being the party of law and order. They chose to cut public spending across the board. The mess we are in are due to the choices made by the likes of Cameron and Osborne onwards.

It is sickening that Duckhunter dismisses this as jumping up and down over a bit of cake and a half arsed pissed up (no one gives a toss about the cake and the so called half arsed piss up was in fact a number of full on piss ups where people were shagging in cupboards and throwing up in waste paper baskets - normal behaviour in his local ale house no doubt). I can only assume that Duckhunter does not have any empathy towards the many people who could not say goodbye to loved ones properly (including the Queen) and whose stories were recently told again after the Covid inquiry kicked off. They were heartbreaking and their anger and anguish were still as fresh as when it happened. While these people were in the depths of despair Johnson was presiding over and endorsing dozens of gatherings and parties which flouted his own laws and then lied repeatedly about them. His attempts to dismiss them as not worth getting upset about shows what contempt people who support the far right think about the people they share this country with. As with Johnson, it is all about looking after number 1. What finally did for Johnson as PM was the Pincher affair, not Partygate. As damning as this report is, Johnson chose to bottle it rather than fight his corner. He could still be an MP today but he chose to resign. No surprise that Duckhunter is trying to diffuse Johnson’s actions and shame by dragging Blair into the picture. I did not vote for Blair, nor did I believe that the invasion of Iraq was right. But what Duckhunter ignores is the fact that the Chilcot inquiry, although very critical of Blair, stopped short of concluding that he lied to parliament. Another inquiry concluded that Johnson did lie to parliament. 146 of the Tory party voted in favour of the invasion. Only 2 voted against and 17 abstained. 27% of the Labour MPs (153) voted against it or abstained. The LDs voted against it. The party you vote for were very happy to support that war despite the clear misgivings by many in parliament on the other side of the house about it. Clearly Blair didn’t do a great job of convincing a large chunk of his own party but your mob went with it. But this isn’t about Blair, it is about Johnson and his very long list of actions that prove, beyond doubt, that he is an unfit person to hold public office. No doubt you will be rushing out to buy your copy of the Daily Mail to read his article today, will continue to support him in any future political venture and will continue to back him when he does it all again.You really need to think about the way you form conclusions. When his shrinking band of supporters and enablers features Rees-Mogg, Dorries and Lord Duckhunter, it is a pretty sad state of affairs.

Oh dear Duckie, I did warn you about overdoing the weed! The bloke you voted for was the one banging on about their integrity (until they found him bang to rights guilty 😂). I believe he was the one who put the committee together so perhaps complain to him that he didn’t have enough far right nut jobs on it? These committees take their duties very seriously as I am sure they all did, including the four Tories who also found him bang to rights guilty. If Suella Braverman had chaired the committee and he had still been found guilty you would be looking for another reason to show that the verdict was bent. It is clear now that the rules that the rest of us had to follow were not upheld under his watch in no 10. He could have shut the parties and regular gatherings (wine time Fridays for example) down but he chose not to. We know that the rules apply to everyone else but not to Johnson and his anointed few. He lied and lied and lied again, but you chose to ignore the facts. Given that you persist in calling me a racist and an anti-Semite it is clear that the years of smoking dope and getting tanked up on real ale before trying to kop off with 9 pinters down at your local ale house have not been kind to your little grey cells. As I have said here many times, the further right on the political spectrum people are, the thicker they are. Like Johnson, you form an alternative reality in your head and that becomes your truth. You backed a wrong ‘un and not for the first time.

You would have a hard time finding a Labour member of the committee who hadn’t at some point criticised the Greased Piglet. What you deliberately keep ignoring us that Johnson put this committee together and praised their integrity before they found him guilty. He wasn’t found guilty because of Harriet Harman being on the committee. He was found guilty because he was guilty. You can’t accept the obvious because you will have to accept that you are complicate because you voted for this idiot. Just like you voted for Brexit. Just like you voted for UKIP. See a pattern here? Everything you endorse is a pile of sh*t and is all about self interest and peddled by the equivalent of snake oil salesmen.

Unsurprisingly the right wing press shamelessly support Johnson on their front pages today. I guess they imagine they are still giving the Gammons what they want to hear but it is worrying that they still insist on defending the indefensible. Looking forward now to see how many gutless, spineless, brainless Johnson supporters vote against the report on Monday. It’s amazing how many gullible people there are in this country and how easily they are gaslit by people like Johnson. I was married to a narcissist for 7 years. I once asked her why she never apologised. Her response was that she does apologise…but she never does anything wrong. Does this sound like anyone we know? These people do not posses a moral compass yet still there are people prepared to make excuses for them. I loved the part of the report when, after excusing the leaving parties as being necessary for morale blah blah blah, he was asked if he would have said they were okay for the rest of the country as part of the lock down rules too, he found that he had been hoisted by his own testicles. Strange how Johnson said that the committee, which he selected himself, were of the greatest integrity, until they found him guilty 😂. Last night in QT there were are couple of Tories on the panel, one squirming and trying to cover his arse without saying anything against Johnson’s conduct. The other, his previous Press Officer, was still peddling the bollocks about “cake” and completely ignoring the question of lying despite being picked up on it several times by Fiona Bruce. If Johnson had an ounce of self awareness and shame he would crawl off and hide under a rock. Instead he continues to do a Trump, blame everyone else and plays the victim. Those who continue to enable his behaviour need to be held to account too. We need to flush these turds away and have a complete reset.

Rees-Mogg making a total fool of himself again today complaining that Harriet Hartman should not have chaired the committee (she only got to vote if there was a deadlock) because she had previously criticised Johnson over Partygate. He suggested that they should have replaced her with a Labour MP who has never criticised Johnson!!! 😂😂😂 Nadine Dorries is also making an even bigger fool of herself on Twitter with her comments about the committee and cronyism (pot, kettle, black springs to mind Nad). I would post them but know Batman will be along soon to do so. 🤔 In case he doesn’t, here is the text of one of them “We also need to keep a close eye on the careers of the Conservative MPs who sat on that committee. Do they suddenly find themselves on chicken runs into safe seats? Gongs? Were promises made? We need to know if they were. Justice has to be seen to be done at all levels of this process.” Duckie, you do know that there is a proper recall system in place. If the Commons vote to endorse the committee’s findings then Johnson could face a by-election and his constituency get to decide his fate. The bottler decided to jump before he was pushed though. The bottler that you voted for.

This is tongue in cheek right? If not, you need to understand that this had nothing to do with “cake” and everything to do with lying to and misleading Parliament.

Apart from the findings of his peers, his own reactions to their findings have also damned him. Going full Trump has just reinforced everything about the man that is flawed. If there is any justice in this world his career in politics is now over. He will never be short of a few bob and his increased notoriety will add a few quid to his after dinner speaking income, but it is time to f**k off now and leave politics to the grown ups. He can take Nigel Farage with him. I’m looking forward to see how the Mail, Express, Telegraph and GB News try and spin this.