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There is a huge difference to disarming and spending vast quantities of money on a weapons system that we will never us. We don’t have enough of what we need for conventional/modern warfare so why bother with nukes when we are always going to be a bit part player anyway? Despite huge piles of the things, it hasn’t stopped Putin as he knows damned well that we will never us them. It didn’t stop Argentina from invading the Falklands because they knew we would never use them. The whole deterrent argument is spurious and plays into Putin’s hands. He pretends that he is mad enough to use them so the West backs off. He knows we won’t use them first so he gradually and incrementally gets the land he wants. Not much of a deterrent if they don’t deter aggression in the first place. War is being waged in many different ways now and that is where we need to be spending our defence budget. We have nukes which won’t be fired but not enough tanks, soldiers, warships, planes, drones, cyber capabilities etc. Things that are needed and would be used. The notion that we are safer with nukes is risible. If there is to be a WW3 the first thing Putin would do is take out our nuclear capacity. This island would be ash before we laid a glove on Russia.

It doesn’t seem to deter people from attacking Israel. Russia and the US have enough warheads to destroy the planet several times over. We are small fry. As said, we can’t even feed our kids, fix our roads, run our hospitals, run our criminal justice system, build hi tech railways etc. but at least we can find billions of pounds to spend on nukes that we will never, ever use. Why does Putin give a shiny shit about us if he doesn’t about other NATO countries away from his borders? Because we have nukes. Without them we are of no interest to him.

So are the other NATO countries apart from France and the US.

We don’t know that though do we. Perhaps they would have used nukes first to wipe out Ukraines capability? Germany, Italy, Spain don’t feel the need to have nukes, why should we? I wouldn’t disarm right now but I would certainly run our capability down and not replace with new weapons.

We are not going to fire first. There won’t be much of the country left after a first strike if Putin is that way inclined. The money would be better spent on defence. Having nukes makes us more of a target. We can’t compete with the Russians when it comes to nuclear weapons. Proxy wars are still wars.

Has anyone explained to us yet why the many other NATO countries who don’t have nukes don’t have nukes? They must be crapping themselves every time Putin rattles his sabre. Remind me again just how many proxy wars have been fought since 1945.

Not good news. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/10/israel-hostage-deal-far-right-israeli-minister-signals-opposition

They aren’t lies. You made those comments about Muslims. I called you out at the time and I will continue to call you out as long as you deny the things you have said. I have suggested that we give it a rest so feel free to have the last word, but anyone who has been in this forum for any length of time will have seen what you have written. Just be be clear, people with centrist views who have mostly voted for the LibDems are mentalists? Ok.

Racism row kicking off over comments made by Tory candidate for Southend East Gavin Haran on X referring to Labour candidate Bayo Alaba. Reece S - Did you knock the coconut off? Gavin Harlan - I’m afraid to say that all coconuts remained intact. But I have a plan to ensure that at least one coconut is removed from its perch this year.

But it isn’t. You say your hatred of Muslims comes from their lack of British values. If you are telling us that all Muslims are opposed to homosexuality then there are some who we would consider to hold British values have the same alleged views. How do you feel about them? There are plenty of what you would call proper British people who don’t hold British values. What should we do with them? Send them to Rwanda too?

Reform Party not containing far right views? https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1909363/reform-uk-nazis-ian-gribbin/amp https://www.thenational.scot/news/24377367.reform-back-candidate-said-uk-neutral-hitler/ Reform standing by him apparently.

Of course he is. It is just that another poster was using this as a stick to beat all Muslims with whilst ignoring the same views by others who would consider themselves to be holders of British values. One in particular who has recently accused the PM of not understanding “our” culture.

Good to hear Ed Davey talk about Brexit and the Greens have the balls to be honest about their opinion too. The very large elephant in the room. https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/10/brexit-shaped-hole-election-unreality-material-lives-voters

What do the Farage enablers and supporters think about this? https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-independent-1029/20240605/282050512208259 https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/members-of-the-hartlepool-ahmadiyya-muslim-youth-association-amya-tidy-hartlepools-streets-on-new-years-day-4473802

British values? https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/04/nigel-farage-defends-ann-widdecombe-over-gay-therapy-comments https://www.thepinknews.com/2019/12/12/brexit-party-lgbt-rights-general-election-2019-nigel-farage-ann-widdecombe/

As has been said numerous times, the criticism of Netanyahu, his government and the IDF is shut down by claims of antisemitism. From heads of state, the UN, aid agencies right down to random posters on a football website. Your constant criticism of Muslims and support of those who criticise Muslims has nothing to do with them destroying houses, schools, universities, hospitals and tens of thousands of innocent civilians and the oppression of a much weaker people and everything to do with the followers of Islam. There is a difference and just to illustrate it further, my criticism of the Netanyahu’s government has only been going on since the day after 7th October. Your criticism of Muslims has been going on here for years.

Having said originally that Sunak didn’t understand our culture, clearly a racist comment, he is now trying to pretend that he didn’t understand because of class and wealth. King Charles is minted and I am pretty sure that Cameron isn’t short of a penny or two. Both would be described as being quite high on the class barometer. They seemed to understand how important the occasion was. Just be honest Nigel, for a change. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13511143/amp/nigel-farage-rishi-sunak-d-day-culture-commemoration.html

Not good news as it makes Netanyahu more exposed to the far right. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/09/moderate-politician-benny-gantz-resigns-israeli-war-cabinet Another incident of the IDF killing innocent civilians, this from 2003. “Cold blooded murder.” https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2006/apr/05/pressandpublishing.broadcasting

No but I check under my bed to check that you and Turkish aren’t there. Baby Reindeers the both of you. It’s ok for you to accuse others of being antisemitic, lefties, centrist blobs etc but you get tetchy when called out yourself. As said before, you need to change your name to hypocrite. Shall we give it a rest for a while? I’m sure the other posters are bored shitless with this.

According to Ofsted, these are the fundamental British values that one or more of the regular posters on here think that British Muslims do not adhere to. Democracy The Rule of Law Individually Liberty Mutual Respect

So you can’t really give us a proper list but you know that all Muslims don’t share any of those values. Ok. Sounds pretty Islamophobic to me. Examples? The “thank God my wife isn’t a Muslim” quote. Your claim that all UK Muslims were complicit in terrorists acts because they didn’t go to the police with information. The inference being that all Muslims have links to terrorists. Your constance defence of people who criticism normal British born/based Muslims. Back to British values. Would you say that British values involve welcoming asylum seekers to our shores, treating them well, assessing their claims and dealing fairly with them according to the outcome or either sinking the boats or shipping all of them off to an African country whether they have a legitimate claim or not? Do you think that there are any gay Muslims? Do all Muslims believe that homosexuality should not be tolerated? Do you think that there are still non Muslims who believe that homosexuality should not be tolerated and have no tolerance of trans people.

I was wrong about the Tebbit test. Here it is in greater detail. https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/28/lord-tebbit-migrants-grandfather-war

I took time to clarify because you were either being deliberately obtuse or not very bright. You are very happy to make “extremely serious charges” against others on a football forum but kick off when you get some of your own treatment. If it is really that serious, sue me. Let’s get back to the crux of the matter. Please provide us with your definitive list of what constitutes “British values.” Wasn’t one of Norman Tebbit’s tests to understand the rules of cricket?

Where do these views fall on the political spectrum? https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/26/nigel-farage-under-fire-said-muslims-not-share-british-values An interesting investigation on the use of the term “far right” when applied to the Reform Party. https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/its-a-mistake-to-call-reform-uk-far-right/

He has got the title of Biggest Narcissist of the Forum sown up every year 😉