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The point being that black MPs get racially abused.

Do you have any personal experience of Universal Credit? Have you spoken to anybody who has? Have you seen the film I Daniel Blake? No wonder people think that many Tories are arseholes. The system sucks.

How about Japanese and Spanish. How many languages do you speak?

You did play down the racism in football thing. I remember it well because we had an exchange about it. I really don’t have the time or the inclination to trawl back through our many tedious rows to find it but trust me, it is there. You didn’t say that there was no racism in football but you did say it wasn’t as bad as it has been. I think we have heard differently from black players. We may generally be a friendly and tolerant country, but Fox completely whitewashed the point (no pun intended). There is plenty of racism and violence in this country but perhaps he doesn’t get out much. When black people say they are being abused and white people tell them they are not, that doesn’t sound good does it?

I didn’t make it up. You said that it wasn’t such a big deal these days ( or words to that effect) and played it down. It something you do quiet often. You did the same over the issue over women’s pay. You seem to have a knee jerk reaction to anything remotely “woke” (WTF that means). Anyway, back to the thread. Harry and Meghan have been talking about receiving racial abuse since 2016. As they have been on the receiving end of it I expect they know more about than you or I. I have read some very unpleasant articles from a very well known racist recently which have attacked Meghan. Neither of us knows what motivated those articles but if they come from a nailed on racist you would be hard pressed to say that racism played no part. We are in danger of straying into Laurence Fox territory. He dismissed the claims that the hatred towards had nothing to do with racism because we are a nice friendly, tolerant country. No we are not. Another three people have been stabbed to death today. As I am writing this people will be told to go back to their own countries. Like any society we have murders, rapists, thieves, racists etc in our communities. He was called out for being a privileged white boy who didn’t have a clue about people on the end of racist abuse and rightly so. Diane Abbot gets infinitely more hate mail than any other MP. If she was white do you think that would be the case? It is very easy for a bunch of white blokes sitting around our keyboards to dismiss this stuff as no big deal. I did the same when I first read about these issues. Since reading more of the social media comments and even some of the more main stream stuff, I can see why they are complaining.

None of my daughters are doing media studies but don’t let that stop using a stereotype to make an invalid point.

Playing Devil’s advocate, given that we aren’t seeing record numbers of transfers so far in this window, perhaps they have all looked at the current options and none of them are that great. None of us wants another duff signing, least of all the club.

You might be right but you have absolutely no idea what motivates people to write hateful articles about a person and there have been some pretty awful things written about her. Just because an article doesn’t specify race, it doesn’t mean to say that that is not the motivation behind it. You didn’t believe that racism still existed in football despite black players coming out and saying that it is. I read an article the other day saying that Harry shouldn’t be with Markle but should be with a “naughty blonde.” If that isn’t a racial distinction I don’t know what is. How do you know that the editor of the Mail doesn’t share Marney’s view about the Royal family being “tainted” but didn’t have the nerve to print it. Along comes someone who conveniently sends something on social media. Bingo. He can print it without taking any responsibility for the view himself. Job done. Pure conjecture of course, but no more than your assertion that hateful articles are not driven by racist undertones.

No, I didn’t support it but their debt is down to the way that you hard nosed righties run the economy.

One is working in a shop because she can’t get a job using her degree. Two are worried about their student debt and what they are going to do when they leave uni. If you think that starting out life heavily in debt (even before you get involved with a mortgage) is “doing nicely” then yes.

Whether they were or were not, they were happy to spread them all over the news stands. And let’s not pretend that only one person in a deeply racist political party had that point of view.

Making a big deal about her being mixed race. Isn’t that racist?

The point is that it wasn’t private. It was all over the news.

Yes, I have just read that. A very balanced read that puts things into context. Agree about Morgan. If he was involved in the phone hacking scandal I hope that he gets his comeuppance.

Very disappointing result, but if we had lost 2-1 at Leicester and beaten Wolves 3-2 we would all be happy bunnies today. The bigger picture has looked more encouraging over the last few weeks and that is the main thing.

So you think it is perfectly ok to have a biased audience (which ever way that bias is loaded?). They don’t just let people in. They go out of their way to load the audience. Instead of just saying pony, perhaps you would like to tell us why this is ok?

We will have to agree to disagree Weston. She was the partner of the UKIP leader and a UKIP member who had to resign for her very unpleasant comments. Let’s not pretend that other UKIP members she spoke to didn’t agree with her or share her point of view. The story was all over the papers because newspapers editors deemed it to be significant.

I was messing around.

So we are to believe that older women are no longer sexually attractive. I hope my wife isn’t reading this.

My mistake. I should have added “of any sinificance.” Once something is in the national media it is significant, wouldn’t you agree?

As the UKIPs leader’s girlfriend the tweet obvious attracted a great of attention and was all over the media in hours. How much press attention does something have to get before it is seen as a slur?

Which is the point Whelk. Hollywood hasn’t changed much. Older women get character parts but once you are no longer young and desirable you are not allowed to be older and desirable, unlike men. Some things have moved with the times and some haven’t.

I’d forgotten this one with so many others getting in the way. What a strike.

Not cool to respond to your own posts but I had a chat in the pub about this tonight and I was reminded of an incident when someone (can’t remember who but it was in the press) said that Meghan Markle has “tainted” the Royal Family by marrying into it. That is a racist slur so it has happened.