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If Labour had been pro Brexit and Tory remain we could well have seen a very different result.

But you knock “woke celebrities” for using their platform to spread their agenda. The only difference is that you criticise those you disagree with in any way you can to discredit them. You are no different to a “woke celebrity.” You have an agenda. You have an audience. You take the opportunity to spread your agenda to your audience. Other can choose to ignore you, agree with you or disagree with you, as we can with “woke celebrities” or people you cherry pick from Twitter.

I expect you are right Wes. But don’t worry, although I doubt if I will ever change my mind about what a mistake this is, I am sure I will find other things to whinge about soon.

Yes he missed a trick there. All he had to do was to get in first with the “Get Brexit Done” and it could have been so different. Still, we are stuck with Johnson for 5 years now. Let’s hope that Labour sort themselves out so that doesn’t become 10 years eh?

It’s ok. When the old Little Englanders die off we will be back in again.

Long live VAR. It has become our 12th man.

Nail on head.

Therein lies the problem. Criticise Israel and you are labelled an anti-Semite.

Exactly!!

Let’s get one thing straight. I have no problem at all with politicians of any party facing negative press. But there is a huge difference between negative press that is true and negative press which is not true. Corbyn and previous Labour leaders have had to face fabricated and spun stories against them to a far greater extent than happens to the Tory party. For all the bleating about the need to stand behind democracy, how does that work when the electorate is fed a constant stream of misinformation?

He really doesn’t get the difference between old Labour and new Labour. Perhaps if there had been Twitter back then dear old hypo would be better informed about “dangerous” socialism.

So it’s ok for you, Wes and Weston to bang on and on? I have only been replying to them and you.

What about the negative campaigns against the likes of Kinnock, Milliband etc? It hasn’t just been Corbyn, it is a common factor with Labour. Are you saying that the majority of the national press is completely unbiased and only ganged up on Corbyn?

Have I made up the establishment manufacturing “facts” in order to brainwash the public? Ok.

I should have added that if I was on Twitter I expect that I could find plenty of tweets arguing against western intervention in the Middle East.

They really need to find themselves someone who appeals to the electorate. Making someone leader because they have ovaries and a northern accent will not help if that persons can’t take votes from the Tories. Blair managed it by having a total rebrand. It is probably time for another. We don’t often elect Labour governments in this country. Whoever gets the gig will have a hard job to turn things round.

No, I am saying if I wanted to engage on Twitter I would log in to Twitter. As it is I have chosen to be on Saints Web, not Twitter.

Once again, perhaps we can get this thread back on track. It will be interesting to see how the media deal with the new Labour leader. Starmer, as a front runner, has already started to get negative press and that is before he has been elected. How long before the drip feed negativity starts for the other candidates?

Something I have made up? There are plenty of reports of media bias if you care to go and look for them. You won’t though because you aren’t interested. I am not saying that the Labour defeat was all down to media bias, but let’s not pretend that it didn’t work in your favour.

Where did I say that?

I’d rather be that than the Tommy Robinson of Saintsweb. There you go hypo, another for your tally. Isn’t it strange how you righties are fine with lies and misrepresentation when it suits your own purposes.

It seems that I have joined Twitter by mistake.

It makes you wonder why they bothered then. I don’t disagree that the choice of leader was poor but they would have done the same with any Labour leader. The billionaire press barons do not want a socialist government, full stop. As said before, they have already started the campaign against Starmer. Also at what point do you abandon your principles and vote against a leader despite supporting the leader’s manifesto? Johnson wasn’t popular either but people still voted to “Get Brexit Done” despite him. Perhaps Nationalism is a stronger force?

Perhaps you should have read Orwell if you think what goes on is ok. If the situation was reversed you might now be so blase about it.