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You seem to have this view that because you don't mention a race or nationality that somehow your views are less abhorrent.

You keep doing this. Why is that? Does it make you feel better about yourself?

Muslim rape gang. Your quote.

What an earth is that all about???

We actually started to win a lot of away matches under Burley, something we had struggled with previously (including putting 6 past a decent Wolves side at their place). I love the comments about how we should have been successful because of the money we spent. As Manchester City have demonstrated, the millions and millions they have spent have not bought them the required glory they seek in Europe and Leicester have shown what can be achieved with the right chemistry and with spending a fortune. When we appointed Burley he was one of the most sought after young managers in the game. We made the play offs in his only full season with us and were unlucky not to make it but hey, that is football. He had good players sold from underneath him in his second season and it all went downhill from there, including his career it would seem. Not our best manager by a long way but also there were a lot worse. As I kept saying at the time, when he was with us he had the best win ratio of any manager since the war for us so not that shabby. Cleary there are many fans who didn't rate him and no doubt I will get a kicking for being supportive, but I enjoyed the football while he was with us more than I had for a while before and that is the main thing for me. I have been a Saints fan since 1966 and if it had just been about winning things I would see the whole period as a waste of time. As for his being an alcoholic, who knows? A lot of people in football liked a drink back in the day, including the great Brian Clough. For me the bile should be kept for the likes of Redknapp and Branfoot, now those two are worthy targets.

Alex Ferguson is doing fine I believe.

So as it said in one of the articles, if a white male rapes he is a rapist, if a Pakistani rapes he is a Pakistani rapist? Did you read both of the articles? Surely a rapist is a rapist, the race or religion doesn't make a difference.

Yes thanks. I did say I didn't come across any in my trips there but I am not that blinkered that I don't think that they dont exist in the whole of the country.

And therein lies the problem. It is easy to pluck figures from various places to support an agenda but how accurate are the figures to start with? I was reading about the Swedish rape figures earlier and it seems that they are not allowed to mention someone's race/religion in the charging so I am not sure how they know how to break down the figures. I worked in the CPS up to a couple of years ago and spent some time with the Rape & Serious Sexual Offences Unit. Not once was it mentioned that there was a bigger problem with a certainly ethnicity group or religious group. You always knew if there was because the computer system would be changed for monitoring purposes.

God forbid that Boro get promotion and Gaston continues in his current vein of form!!! Cue major meltdown!!

This is worth a read too Whelk/Hutch - http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/stumbling_and_mumbling/2011/01/straw-statistics-bias.html

This is worth a read on the subject... http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/14/child-grooming-sexual-abuse-race

Come on now Whelk, are you really happy with the inference that somehow rapes carried out by some who may (or may not be) Muslims are somehow more of a problem than rapes carried out by others? The pattern that you are looking for is that more non Muslims than Muslims commit rapes.

Not sure what you point is? The vast majority of rapists currently serving time in prison are not Muslim. Is that your point?

Well given that we are 7th I don't see that is a huge problem. Something is obviously working.

This from the Ministry of Justice dated June 2014. "As of 31 March 2014, the latest point in time for which data is available for public use, the male prison population in England and Wales for all offenders serving immediate custodial sentences for rape was 5,682. Of this, there were 676 offenders who self-declared their religion as Muslim (12% of the total).

You said Asian men, earlier you were accusing Muslim men?

I am not sure why you are getting worked up about a religion when it is very clear that men of many races and religions carry out sexual abuse. It is all abhorrent isn't it? Or is it less so if carried out by Christians? Were the likes if Jimmy Savile and Adam Johnson muslims?

No you are absolutely right, we have not benefitted from Muslim immigrants at all whereas we have benefitted plenty from all of the millions of other immigrants who have come here! Ok, if it shuts you up - Tipu Zahed Aziz, Professor of Neurosurgery at John Radcliffe Hospital - Rozina Ali, microvascular reconstructive plastic surgeon - Hasnat Khan, heart and lung surgeon - Asif Chaudry, surgical oncologist with an interest in gastrointestinal cancer - Abu Easa Niamatullah, qualified pharmasist and anthropologist member of the World Economic Forum initiative. I could go on if I had more time but to be honest its a bit like "What Did The Romans Ever Do For Us." I didn't say that there were no religious bigots in Turkey, just that I didn't come across any in my travels. You must be finding it very difficult to find somewhere to live in this country where there is no input from Muslims.

So why don't we call those nicked under Operation Yew Tree Christian Rape Gangs?

Although you say that practicing Christians don't create death camps there were plenty who worked in who were "only obeying orders," There we also plenty of practicing Jews who worked with the Nazis in the camps.

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There is an article in the Independent that you need to read. I will post it when I find it. As for "muslim rape gangs - it is my understanding that the people that carried out the sexual assaults in Cologne were drunk. It is also my understanding that practicing muslims do not drink. Also I am having trouble finding out the numbers charged with rape. There was a high profile case of one rape that was later discredited as the person made it up. Anyway, read the article, it might help you get things into perspective. Here it is http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/cologne-sex-assaults-muslim-rape-myths-fit-a-neo-nazi-agenda-a6872566.html And you will note that they talk about "refugees" not "muslims."