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Quite so. Just because they are using a book to sort out hostages does not mean that a whole religion is evil.

He could well have a fatwah put out on him by now!

Indeed.

In this particular post you not only call me a liar (see above) but you also seem to have a problem with me expressing an opinion on a forum that I have paid £5 to join and am at complete liberty to express an opinion. I think we can safely say that whatever shred of credibility you had has been shot to pieces. Checkmate.

How could it not be relevant to the discussion? I was asking you how you would feel if your loved ones were in the picture and whether you would still be happy for it to be published. It really isn't a hard question to answer. If you really think that anybody on here needed that picture to know what monsters those people are then I think you do the posters a disservice. You accuse me of making things up, feel free to find where I have said lets sit down and have a cup of tea with ISIS. As for you calling me a liar, you have done so several times on here and on another thread.

You keep calling me a liar. I would say that is name calling even if you don't. It is also incredibly childish. As for the National Socialist Party in Germany, apart from Appeasement do you really think there were not further efforts to stop the war even after it started? There were further attempts to work with moderates on the other side to bring about a faster resolution to the war. Interestingly President Obama doesn't seem to be overly keen to put his troops into Syria and is looking at other ways apart from bombing to find a solution to this conflict. Even the Queen has taken tea with people who are responsible either directly or otherwise for terrorist atrocities in Northern Ireland. Things and situations change. As for the graphic and disturbing picture, I notice you haven't responded to my point about how you would feel if one of those bodies belonged to someone you know and care about. It is relevant because these people have loved ones elsewhere who might well be very distressed to come across these images on the internet even if you and Guan are not. If you are cool with that image on a football internet forum that is your opinion, which is fine. I am not happy with it and that is just my opinion too.

I prefer Karl Pilkinton.

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Wow, I think you need to change your name from Hypochondriac as you do really seem to have a problem. They would be great posts but for the fact that they were wrong. As for your obsession with calling people names, you should have left that behind in the playground. Sticks and stones and all that. If you really needed to see that picture to understand the horror of what went on I guess you don't have much of an imagination. I am sure you would have been delighted if that picture had included a member of your family. Nice try again at hammering home a point with a sledgehammer. Do you really think that we have not talked to people in the past who have carried out such atrocities at some point in the conflict? But that is not the point here. The point here is that, yet again, you haven't understood the original point and you go off on one on what you think you know. You really aren't very good at this are you?

Apparently there has been a terrorist attack in a Mali hotel this morning. 5 dead so far. And thanks for the Mods for putting the distressing images warning on this thread.

Now go away before I taunt you somemore!

A) Who has said we should bomb every town in Syria? B) Who has said that making 'Piles of bodies' is a solution to the current wave of attacks? C) If you are referring to the French Air Force bombing the ISIS Stronghold and de facto capital of Raqqa, are you equating targeted strikes on military strikes, to the picture above where concert goers and civilians where subjected to torture and slow slaughter in the name of religion? D) If you're not actually using false equivocation, then why make such facetious remarks on a thread discussing a massacre, unless you wish to derail it or create a false position to argue against? E) Why do you advocate for the suppression of an image that shows the true cost of a massacre against concert goers by religious fanatics, and claim it is due to respect for the victims, when earlier you suggested immediate negotiations with people who use execution and torture as a day-to-day function of Government. Given that dead had not been buried yet, do you not think that this insensitive to the injured and families of the dead F) If you don't advocate this, do you believe that the only acceptable images and articles are those that pursue a pretence of feigned normalcy? Are you saying that when the public see images of Massacres they are just 'gawping', and not in fact, trying to understand the extent of brutality and inhumanity visited upon a group of concert-goers, and by extension, the level of future violence that threatens all those who do not obey the tenet of Islamic state? When we were undertaking our module on 'International relations and conflicting Crises' we had two experts, one from BBC North West, the other a Journalist during the Rwandan Genocide. The Journalist spoke of the frustration of those on the ground, as they were unable to convey the true levels of depravity taking place, as the Government of the day argued that their reports were 'Unpleasant'. Despite an eventual relaxing of the rules (bodies were able to be shown face down with bloodstains, but wounds were a no-no, the journalist called this pose 'False sleepers'). Due to understanding that was reached under Chatham house rules, and with help from sympathetic regulators, these rules were pushed and eventually broken. The BBC director mentioned hat after the Second World War, people were in denial over the atrocities committed by the Nazi's until they saw the mountains of naked, rotting bodies that had been left in their wake. He wished that there was a recognition of this fact in upper management of all the broadcasters in this era, as people do not bleed pixelated blood when you slice their stomach open, and their heads to not automatically blur when you shoot a bullet through them. Which is what some would have portrayed, rather than show the reality of the massacre , which happened only six (6 )days ago. A) No one B) #755 for the reference to piles of bodies in Syria, right under your picture. C) No D)??? No idea what you are talking about E) What a very, very strange remark. I have never suggested immediate negotiations with these people and if you go way back I said that at some point we would have to find a way of living together and that would involve negotiations/dialogue. I wasnt just talking about ISIS I was talking about the whole Middle East situation. What has looking for a solution to find peace got to do with you posting pictures of the massacred bodies before they even buried as you said? I think the relatives and loved ones of the dead would be very happy if this situation never happened again, wouldn't you? F) Again I fid this remark odd. After what has happened how can anyone feign normalcy? You don't have to see graphic pictures, and by the way, the picture you posted is the only one I have seen, to know what went on and be horrified by it. Do you really think you have done us all a favour by showing us this picture? If one of those bodies had been a loved one I would be furious at you right now. Your further attempts to justify putting this picture on here doesnt wash with me I'm afraid. Do you really think that we don't understand the enormity of what happens in these attacks? To equate this situation with the holocaust is just crazy. We don't need to be convinced that this is happening. We have seen enough pictures, not as graphic as yours, to know what is going on. I don't have to see a picture of a head on the ground to believe that terrorists are beheading innocent people. I don't have to see a picture of bodies in the concert hall to believe that many died there at the hands of terrorists. Thanks for your attempts to enlighten me Guan, but I am afraid I still find your use of that picture disrespectful and distasteful and will leave you with this thought - how would you feel if that picture contained an image of you mother, father, sister, brother, wife, girlfriend, friend? Would you still think it ok to post on a football internet forum?

Gutted for him. Players coming back from long term injury can then go through a period of other injuries and never get back to full fitness. Michael Owen had lots of recurring problems. Let us hope this is the end of it for him and not the beginning of the end of his career.

I take your point. I used to see some gruesome pictures when I worked for the CPS and I don't think you ever really can get your head around how horrific these scenes are.

Hey, now don't diss Friends!!!

I think at the time the idea was to have a Director of Football doing most of the manager type things and working with a Head Coach who would take care of the team. Both were good coaches, in fact I think I remember reading that the squad all applauded when the Gray appointment was announced. As we know in retrospect things didn't work out though. I had some sympathy for Wigley, he was plagued by injuries to key players.

At the time I thought that Redknapp was a good appointment. Get your point about the chequebook but Lowe did give him £6m (which was a lot for us) to help keep us up and he didn't exactly spend the money wisely! I wised up and soon changed my mind about the appointment when I saw the calibre of the players he bought who were supposed to keep us up! I totally agree about his attitude about Woodward too. We needed a winning mentality and who better to work with to try and get that extra 5% out of the players. Apparently he wouldn't let Woodward anywhere near the first team. Surely when things are not going well you all pull together to try and turn things around? I remember him making a point about playing the kids by playing too many at once, us getting hammered and him saying there you are, I told you so! Worst comment for me though was after he left when he said I didn't know what I was doing there. Did he just join us to spite Mandaric I wonder?

I am sorry I don't understand your point? Do you think that they and their loved ones would want pictures of their dead bodies being gawped at on a football forum?

Sport should not be politicised in this way. It was one thing to join together at the International the other night but they always play the anthems then anyway. As has been pointed out, this hasn't happened when atrocities have been carried out before. If people want to wave the tricolour and sing the anthem themselves during the match, that is down to them. Agreed that a minutes silence would be more appropriate if anything at all.

It may be just me, but I find the constant forwarding of the picture of the dead in Paris disrespectful and distasteful. I also would be interested to know how piling up bodies in Syria of innocent civilians is going to help the situation. I assume it meant all Syrians as there was no distinction made between them and the terrorists.

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A reporter the other night was talking of an area in Brussels where a lot of disaffected young men lived that was rife with crime.

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You are welcome. Would you like to hear about my trip to Turkey too? Its full of Muslims apparently!