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It is interesting to see some definitions of “British values” and how some of our politicians seem not to have many of them who claim to be fighting for British values. https://www.hsdc.ac.uk/british-values/

There is nothing like prejudging when you are a conspiracy theorist, eh Nic?

Some 42,000 people killed before they finally kill him, and then just by chance. Will this be the end of it now? Not a chance.

More illegal occupation? https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241016-israel-leaders-to-hold-conference-to-encourage-resettlement-in-gaza-report/amp/

A Tory councillor’s wife https://news.sky.com/story/amp/wife-of-tory-councillor-jailed-for-31-months-over-social-media-post-stirring-up-racial-hatred-13234756

It has become a pointless exercise to post about the strikes against civilians in Gaza, now we have the same daily reports from Lebanon. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-air-strike-kills-mayor-nabatieh-official-meeting Over a year now and the killing of innocent civilians crosses more borders. We get the same old rhetoric about how, if you criticise the Israeli actions, you are antisemitic. The same blind eye is turned to the death of innocent Muslims from the same quarters. The Israeli government accuse the UN of being antisemitic and use the same card to ignore the countless sanctions against them for the many alleged contraventions of international law. A cease fire and peace talks are farther away than ever. It has be said many times but you don’t have to be Einstein to work out that the more women, children, journalists, aid workers, totally innocent civilians you kill and maime, the more your claim that you are acting in self defence looks hollow and the more you are sowing the seeds of more aggressive towards you and the people you represent in the future.

The constant need by the right wing supporting media and right blowhards to find a stick to beat Starmer/Labour with seems to be becoming more desperate every day. Taylor Swift? Seriously? We have seen a PM lie through his teeth daily, huge contracts for PPE given to Tory MP mates, the worse PM and budget ever etc etc but did they didn’t even raise an eyebrow. Now the PM goes to a concert with his wife and the biggest global star gets some extra security after a very real threat elsewhere and you would think that none of the last 14 years had happened and this, according to Jenrick, is already a catastrophe of a government. If we hadn’t lived through 14 years of the most inept, corrupt, feckless, self serving, tone deaf governments I would say that it was unbelievable. Sadly it is all too believable. We haven’t even had Labour’s first budget yet, and we all know how that will be received given the financial circumstances. Had the Tory Party won, whatever is about to happen would be a lot worse. More of the same but with even more cuts to public services to pay for unwarranted tax cuts. The successive Tory Governments were heavily criticised from some quarters for very good reasons. No doubt there will be good reasons to heavily criticise Labour and Starmer over the next five years but those who pick on scraps just to criticise for the sake of it ought to keep their powder dry for the occasions it is warranted if they want to be taken seriously. Having a pop at the PM for not breaking rules doesn’t really cut it after the litany of rule breaking we have witnessed under the Tory Party.

Nic mate, you were doing so well until you claimed that you had made a “sensible comment.” 🐸

“Mates of SOG?” I left school 52 years ago but when I read Whelk’s posts it’s like being back in the playground again.

The IDF have a very long history of not worrying about collateral damage. They even take out their own if needs be and were responsible for the death of a number Israelis on 7th October according to the Israeli police report. I’ve mentioned this policy before. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive#:~:text=A report by a UN,of carrying kidnapped Israeli soldiers.

I wonder if those getting their panties in a bunch over Keir Starmer’s glasses will be equally outraged about this? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/kemi-badenoch-tory-leadership-jenrick-b2627675.html

No, I mean the few Tories who are half decent human beings. As for “Kemi,” she really needs to join Reform with the other deeply unpleasant, self serving extremists.

The natives are already restless. https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/10/centrist-conservatives-refuse-back-badenoch-jenrick-tory-reform-group-leadership-candidates-party-right

Are they all shape shifting reptilians Nic?

No surprise to hear that Grant Shapps was Cleverly’s campaign manager. It takes a special kind of incompetence not to secure any Tugendhat votes for the only moderate left in the race. I almost feel sorry for any moderates left amongst Tory voters. Whoever wins between Jenrick and Badenoch will be battling out with Farage for the votes for the further right whilst any remaining Tory centrists will either have to suck it up or defect to the LibDems. The damage that all of the various Tory PMs have done to their own party since Cameron doesn’t worry me. It’s just a shame that they managed to take the country down with them.

Even by the Tory standards of recent years this is a bizarre situation. It’s hard to decide who is the most obnoxious between the two of them so if the Tory Party members are looking for someone to appeal the the middle ground, good luck with that. Starmer and Ed Davey will be a happy bunnies this evening.

So Tugendhat is out and most, if not all, of his votes will probably go to Cleverly leaving the other two to fight it out as the nasty choice. Jenrick and Badenoch will both be working through the night to try and pick up extra votes. I expect we will see Cleverly and Jenrick as the candidates to be put before the gammons and blue rinsers. My money would have been on Jenrick but given Cleverly’s stock has risen after his conference speech, who knows? There will be a fag paper between a Jenrick Tory Party and Reform. Will common sense prevail and the moderate candidate win? Can’t see it myself. I think we are in for a drawn out battle for the far right ground over the next 5 years.

We treat our pets with far more humanity and compassion that we do our fellow humans. We don’t allow them to suffer but we don’t currently have a system where our loved ones can depart this world with dignity at a time of their choosing. It is my life. If I am dying and being pumped full of drugs to keep me going it is my decision (or those who I nominate to make the decision for me if I in no mental state to do so) to end my life. Of course there need to be cheques and balances, but just because another country might manage the system differently and not to your liking, that does not mean that we should decide not to treat those here who are desperate to end their suffering with respect for their wishes. Just before my mother passed away I was asked if I would like her to be resuscitated if the situation arose. I was given that choice over possible life and death. Should that option not be given either? Assisted dying is just that. It helps those who are dying to do so on their terms. We are not talking about bumping off all the oldies so that younger generations can get their hands on their money.

I’m not sure what you are talking about here. People on state pensions receive the WFB automatically. Some on other benefits do have to apply for it. If they don’t that is not down to Labour. The previous Conservative governments over the last 14 years have had plenty of time to change the system. If these people didn’t know that they could claim this benefit, which government was that down to? Starmer is right, the system is not fit for purpose and should be means tested. People like Alan Sugar have never needed it. Why did successive Tory governments not do something about that? If you are so outraged about a difficult decision that Reeves will have to take to try and sort the economy out, why weren’t you calling for previous Tory Chancellors of the Exchequer to make sure that the people you have developed a sudden concern for should get what they needed and those who didn’t need it pass it on to the needy?

You and the very odd people who join you with laughing emojis really need to grow up. Little wonder you have no problem with the butchery in Gaza. Serious question, were you a skinhead back in the 70’s?

No one has suggested that it was the crime of the century buy perhaps you have forgotten what actually happened? A reminder for you. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-wallpaper-gold-flat-carrie-invoice-b2118185.html Were there any demands for resignations where people had followed the rules and there were no whiffs of corruption or malpractice?

For a very brief moment when I read this headline neutering came to mind. Alas it wasn’t so. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp39zvnx9p3o.amp

And your own wallpaper (even if it is gold). As for this “whiff of corruption,” have I missed something or have the people who have made these donations received peerages or multi million pound government contracts?? Can we expect to see Arsenal FC given byes to the semi finals of the FA Cup whilst Labour are in power?

This thread just gets better! You accuse GM of something he didn’t do then accuse him of being paranoid because it was actually someone else? Priceless 😂

Starmer, Rayner and Reeves have announced that they will no longer accept donated clothing. https://www.manxradio.com/news/uk-news/starmer-to-no-longer-accept-donations-to-pay-for-clothes-sky-news-understands/