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What lies on the seabed and mutilates prostitutes? Jack the Kipper

Carry on with your playground namecalling Alpine, it just re-inforces your image as a childish knee-jerk reactionary. "Never goes" - I probbaly go to as many matches as you do and what as much on TV as you do in which case you "never go" either. Like any rational grown up I read threads and comment when I feel moved to do so. I don't watch the progress of previous employees in the hope that they will trip up and I can rush on here and slag them off. Pray tell, what exactly is my agenda do you think? You don't know do you so I will help you out. My so-called "agenda" is support the club and to hope that everyone connected with it does the best and does well. To me supporting the club does not include slagging certain people off at every available opportunity. I distinctly remember one prominent poster coming on her and tellin us all that George BUrley was deliberately going out of his way to ensure we would not get promoted. You will probbaly remember that person too Alpine! That person has an "agenda" and peddles it at every availble opportunity. I, for my sins, try and balance up that "agenda" with one that is not based on small minded pettiness and vindictiveness. Guided Missile and Jonah are people named as having an "agenda" in support of a certain past employee. Having spokne to Jonah face to face about said person I can state 100% that Jonah was no supporter of that person...yet the person here with an "agenda" of his own is so blinkered he cannot see beyond anything other than his own prejudices. I don't think that GM has ever come out and said that past employee is the best thing since sliced bread but yet again, because he is not part of the internet lynch mob he gets tarred with the "Luvvie" (what a stupid name) brush. What you and some of your like completely fail to grasp that it is quite possible to engage in a debate without having some weird thing going on about the personalities involved. You can also dispense with the silly name calling and abuse and maybe try to deal with some of the issues in an adult way rather than the usually diversionary tactics and abuse you fall back on whne you don't actually have a leg to stand on.

Is that a euphamism?

Whilst it is good to be winning football matches and having a potentially bright future again, I think it is pretty sad if the affairs of 11 blokes running around trying to put a ball in a net rule your life or affect your behaviour to any great affect. I think some people actually use SFC as some kind of therapy and transfer their issues onto players and management in some kind of attempt to deal with the frustrations in their lives. I can think of one or two regular posters who take things way too far on here and would be ripe for therapy. I will go to my grave failing to understand how some can "hate" another person for doing a job badly in their view. Do people hate the CEO of London Underground if the tubes don't run on time? There are some on here would would be glued to the Scottish team's result just so they could come on here and gloat about a poor performance by their manager. In what universe is that in any way a sane way to behave? Yes, when the team is doing well I feel better. If they have a run of bad results I feel deflated. But I don't take it to work, take it out on my cat, my partner, my liver. All you can do is hope that they put things right and turn things round, which is happening this season. Isn't it the ups and downs that make football so interesting? I would hate to support a team who won everything every year. It is the hope that keeps us coming back. But at the end of the day it is only a sport, no matter what Bill Shankley said. If it becomes anything more than that to people they need to look at the balance in their lives. A colleague of mine has just found out that her uncle has terminal cancer and doesn't have long to live. That is a "disaster" and a "tradegy" - losing some football matches does not come close.

Ah, but that works for a lot of people. Did Lowe make mistakes? Yes of course he did. Which makes him exactly the same as everyone who has ever drawn breath on this planet. Except for Alpine of course

They certainly raised the bar when it came to an interesting thread and GM still does the odd post. Those from Jonah are rarer than Benali's goals but I'd like to think that he still reads this forum from time to time. He may have ruffled a few feathers but at least he spoke some common sense. Sadly though they are pushed out by the black and white brigade who think that the answer is to find "hate" objects and to rubbish them at every available opportunity. Peter Gabriel wrote a great song about these people, "Not One Of Us." Those who feel stronger by ganging together and excluding others..bit like the BNP. By labelling people "Lowe Luvvies" if they didn't become part of the lynch mob that is exactly what they were trying to do.

I agree. But it is not just about the last few years. Those with agendas just stick to the things that back up their arguements. They told us we should be like Charlton. Where are they now? Where are Leeds, Norwich? Look at the bigger picture and it is not all about one man. It is about running a football club within its means. Even if you do, as other clubs have found to their cost, it is not guarantee of success. But money rules and if you are not very very careful about how you spend what you have, you can find yourself coming unstuck very rapidly.

Pardew was determined to prove to the fans once and for all that the "youth experiment" was well and truly over.

Of course they weren't. I have met them both and the only "problem" they have is that try and hold a balanced view. Neither in my view were what Alpine would call a "Luvvie" but both were bright enough to see the shades of grey. In Alpine's world everything is in black and white. When he grows up, like most teenagers, he will see that the world really is not that simple. If you were to go back and read Jonah's post he was 95% right and totally spot on about Wilde, But of course that makes him a "Luvvie" and everything he says was rubbish.

It is not a question of trust it is a question of finances. As Leeds and we have found out. There is no guarantee that £10m would have made any difference to our plight. Afteral we went down with players like Crouch and Phillips on board and several others who are still playing Prem football. We couldn't afford that money, let alone the wages, for two players.

I can handle it thanks. But I am also not blind to the fact that we are currently, in December, just above the relegation spots in the 3rd tier of English football. Isn't life wonderful down here?

You really are completly clueless aren't you? You take the whole level of debate to new lows every time you appear. I will try one more time, to see if you can grasp this point. I shall also type very slowly so that you can follow me. Are you ready? J u s t b e c a u s e s o m e o n e d o e s n' t s l a g s o m e o n e o f f e v e r y p o s t i t d o e s n' t m e a n t h a t t h e y a g r e e w i t h e v e r y t h i n g t h e y d o. Get it yet?

WGS spent plenty of cash (McCann and others) and presided over an average but very large squad. You are upset because he wasn't allowed to spend £10m on 2 players. In what universe have SFC ever had that kind of money to spend on 2 players? Even if LOwe had not been here it is hard to see how that type of expenditure would have happened.

Ah I see, so that was all a part of the Wilde plan was it? To get Lowe out, spend the cash, let him back in and have us at the very brink of extinction? Rapidly followed by a near takeover by another potless/clueless outfit. Brilliant.

You seem to be forgetting a group of people who came along and splashed £7m quid that we obviously could ill afford. But don't let that spoil your arguement.

Neither of whom were Lowe supporters, so what is your point???

No it is not all he said but it is the basic premise. As it turned out it was right as the minute the Wilde Bunch rode into town and blew the cash it was all downhill to administration in pretty quick time. As for the rolly eyes things, my young daughters love those things but that is about the age group they work for.

I think his point was that we had to live within our means when many supporters were complaining that we were not spending shedloads of money. In hindsight I would say Jonah had a point, wouldn't you?

Don't worry, they are storing up plenty of negativity and will be out in force when we lose another game. They must be gutted though, all these wins! They will find something to moan about though as did a group of Birmingham supports against Bruce when Brum were top of the CCC. Some people it seems are only in it for the pain!!!

Oviously it was a worry that it took so long to get out of the bottom zone but the last 13 matches do not lie. What is more encouraging is that we are winning games we we are not playing brilliantly, something all the top teams can do becaus no one plays brilliantly every week. Pardew is doing well. Yes, still room for improvement but again, the same can be said for most teams. Mind you, the moaners will be out in force again once we lose a match.

Pardew is no mug and why someone thought to start a thread saying it wasn't a question of if he should go but when is beyond me. It is just as well that fans don't run football clubs, mind you we have one not so long ago...d'oh!!!

The league. But if you go out into every game wanting to win it that is all we can ask of the team. I don't like the idea of a "priority." We should look to win every match.

I am not saying this is the case here, but sometimes decent players struggle in the lower leagues. Players don't make the runs that you might get from a better class of player or make themselves available in the right place at the right time. I did hear a rumour that we bought him because they wanted to make money on him as he had potential. He started off brightly enough but stalled. It will be interesting to see if AP can get the best out of him.

Oh dear, you are not in a very good mood today are you? For goodness sakes, lighten up! Are you not happy that we are actually winning a lot more games than we are drawing or losing???

It would make sense for clubs in the same vicinity but can't see it working for us.